Do You Get Tired of Being a Hypocrite? Bill Clinton Did This.

[liberty]

I agree with the concept of police monitoring and control, and with efforts to maintain reliability. I believe there should be an organization in charge of this—one with the authority to punish, remove, or prosecute officers who break the rules or laws.

However, how can you penalize this man for something that Bill Clinton did, which was ultimately deemed acceptable? That’s a double standard.


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Background on Joshua Heal
Joshua Heal, who previously served as a school resource officer in Abington, has been permanently barred from law enforcement in Massachusetts following a ruling by the Massachusetts Peace Officer Standards and Training (POST) Commission on September 25, 2025. This decision stems from allegations of misconduct, including lying about a sexual relationship he had with Sandra Birchmore when she was a young adult. The POST Commission's order explicitly states that Heal "shall never again apply for certification as a law enforcement officer" in the state.
Boston 25 News
Allegations and Investigation
The allegations against Heal are part of a broader investigation into the circumstances surrounding Birchmore's death. Birchmore was found dead in her apartment in 2021, and her death was initially ruled a suicide. However, federal prosecutors later charged former Stoughton police officer Matthew Farwell with her murder, alleging that he killed her to conceal their sexual relationship, which began when she was a minor. Heal's involvement includes accusations of engaging in a sexual act with Birchmore while he was working as an animal control officer in Stoughton, and he was found to have been untruthful during multiple interviews regarding this relationship.

[datsunaholic]

1. Monica wasn't a minor.
2. Bill didn't kill Monica. Nor was accused of doing so, being that Monica is still very much alive.

So no, not the same.

Now, if you want to argue that Bill should be barred from ever serving as President again, well, OK.

[liberty]

1. Monica wasn't a minor.
2. Bill didn't kill Monica. Nor was accused of doing so, being that Monica is still very much alive.

So no, not the same.

Now, if you want to argue that Bill should be barred from ever serving as President again, well, OK.

According to my source, Joshua Heal didn’t kill anyone and had sex with this woman after she was a young adult. His offense was lying about it, probably because it was embarrassing. But that’s different from what Bill Clinton did: he had sex with young adults and lied about it under oath.

Don't get me wrong, lying is absolutely a valid reason to fire and ban an officer from law enforcement. But in a blue state, one that supported Bill Clinton, that would be hypocrisy. Elsewhere, such accountability should be the norm.

We should expect more from our police officers. They ought to be people of the highest integrity, discipline, and dedication to their duty. They should enforce the law without fear or favor.

[Joe Guy]

......However, how can you penalize this man for something that Bill Clinton did, which was ultimately deemed acceptable? That’s a double standard.

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. How does that amount to "deemed acceptable"?

[datsunaholic]

OK, I missed the part where it was a different law enforcement officer that was accused of killing her. I thought it was the same person.

But here's the thing- his offense wasn't just lying about his having had relations with the woman- it was also that he knew several other officers had had relations with her when she was a minor and didn't report it, and that multiple officers had been grooming her as a minor.

That's a big difference.

Monica was not a minor. Yes it was inappropriate, but it wasn't illegal. I don't know anyone, conservative or liberal, that thought it was appropriate. Did it rise to the level of being removed from office? No. Because law enforcement officers grooming a 13 year old for sex and then lying about it, and others covering for them, is a lot worse than lying about getting a blowjob from a 22-year old intern. Its not the same.

Clinton hasn't been President for over 24 years.

[Big RR]

And while in private industry, even the CEO of a company might be dismissed for similar actions with a subordinate (I was part of a board which reviewed such actions for a company we worked for and we did dismiss some senior individuals even though the action was not illegal), the president of the US is in a different position and removal from office or other punishment is to be decided by the Senate--which did not take any action.

FWIW, a police officer is subject to the standards of their department (the president of the US is not), and the punishment was meted out by them in accordance with that standard. For comparison, look what happened to Joe Paterno at Penn State for participating in a coverup of the same sort of thing.

[BoSoxGal]

The Birchmore case unfolded and continues to unfold a few miles up the road from me, and it is further devastating the local attitude toward police and policing.

Sandra Birchmore was raised by an earnest single mother who recognized her daughter needed positive male role models in her life, so encouraged her to sign up with the Stoughton Police Explorers program for youth - and she was there groomed by numerous cops including the one running the program, and raped beginning at age 15 by one or more of those cops. One of those cops continued sexually exploiting her for years beyond her reaching the age of majority - it cannot be called a true relationship because of the way it began - and when she fell pregnant and he believed the fetus to be his, he murdered her and made it look like suicide using his police forensics training. He nearly got away with it, too.

Comparing the Birchmore case with Clinton and Lewinsky is apples to oranges, of course. Clinton should not have engaged sexually with a young intern, the behavior was shameful - but it wasn't child rape, and he didn't groom a child at a most vulnerable time in her life.

The cops who raped Birchmore are more akin to Epstein and Trump and all the other child rapers they hung about with when 'Palm Beach in the 90s was a different time' - as if it hasn't been a crime to rape children the entirety of Trump's disgusting life.

[MajGenl.Meade]

However, how can you penalize this man for something that Bill Clinton did, which was ultimately deemed acceptable?

See lib, here's where you start with an invalid comparison: both men lied but one was complicit in covering up rape of a minor and then choosing to continue that abuse as an adult. Guess which one took no part in child-rape and abuse? Yes - you got it, lib - it was Bill Clinton who did not do those things.

Then you descend into one of your confidently false assertions. No, Clinton's lying was not "ultimately deemed acceptable". Not by anyone. Ever. He was impeached (a political process - not a criminal justice one) and acquitted by a vote of Cong-crits. After leaving office, Clinton reached a civil agreement with Independent Counsel Robert Ray in 2001. As part of that deal, Clinton admitted that some of his previous statements about his relationship with Lewinsky were "false" and "misleading". He also agreed to a five-year suspension of his license to practice law in Arkansas and to pay a $25,000 fine.

So, not "deemed acceptable" even by Clinton. Why do you make up stuff like that? Ok we know why. Don't bother

[liberty]

OK, I missed the part where it was a different law enforcement officer that was accused of killing her. I thought it was the same person.

But here's the thing- his offense wasn't just lying about his having had relations with the woman- it was also that he knew several other officers had had relations with her when she was a minor and didn't report it, and that multiple officers had been grooming her as a minor.

That's a big difference.

Monica was not a minor. Yes it was inappropriate, but it wasn't illegal. I don't know anyone, conservative or liberal, that thought it was appropriate. Did it rise to the level of being removed from office? No. Because law enforcement officers grooming a 13 year old for sex and then lying about it, and others covering for them, is a lot worse than lying a Clinton hasn't been President for over 24 years.

There is no evidence that Joshua Heal had any knowledge of what was happening to Miss Birchmore when she was a minor. There was only suspicion; had there been evidence, he would have been charged and prosecuted. Everyone, including law enforcement officers, is entitled to the presumption of innocence.

When it comes to the state-level organization responsible for the quality of law enforcement, I believe it should go beyond mere monitoring and take on an active investigative role. It should have its own authority to conduct investigations without relying on any police agency, even to the point of operating undercover stings. For example, they could employ actors and actresses to pose as individuals attempting to influence officers, such as a seductive Beautiful blonde women offering sex to avoid a traffic ticket, or a belligerent, intoxicated Black teenager stopped for a traffic offense.

Any officer who takes advantage of either situation, whether for sexual gratification or to brutalize someone without justification, should be fired, banned, prosecuted, or at the very least receive a written letter of reprimand that is permanently placed in their record

[liberty]

However, how can you penalize this man for something that Bill Clinton did, which was ultimately deemed acceptable?

See lib, here's where you start with an invalid comparison: both men lied but one was complicit in covering up rape of a minor and then choosing to continue that abuse as an adult. Guess which one took no part in child-rape and abuse? Yes - you got it, lib - it was Bill Clinton who did not do those things.

Then you descend into one of your confidently false assertions. No, Clinton's lying was not "ultimately deemed acceptable". Not by anyone. Ever. He was impeached (a political process - not a criminal justice one) and acquitted by a vote of Cong-crits. After leaving office, Clinton reached a civil agreement with Independent Counsel Robert Ray in 2001. As part of that deal, Clinton admitted that some of his previous statements about his relationship with Lewinsky were "false" and "misleading". He also agreed to a five-year suspension of his license to practice law in Arkansas and to pay a $25,000 fine.

So, not "deemed acceptable" even by Clinton. Why do you make up stuff like that? Ok we know why. Don't bother

It was deemed acceptable by the United States Senate, or at least by the Democrats who currently control the Senate.

[MajGenl.Meade]

It was deemed acceptable by the United States Senate, or at least by the Democrats who currently control the Senate.

The Democrats deemed it unacceptable to have their President thrown out of office for such a minor offense. I doubt that any of them thought of him as particularly "in the right" for denying his sexual relationship with ML under oath at a deposition or whatever it was. But you keep on defending your general smear* (and feeble attempt to suggest equivalence with a rapist and enabler of child abuse) by pretending you really meant only Democratic Senators from back in the days or yore.

*In case you forget, you chose the title "Don't YOU get tired of being a hypocrite?" thus aiming your barbless barb at the people who post here.

[Sue U]

I wonder why liberty is not incensed about the current President having lied and attempted to cover up a sexual encounter with a porn star, recording the pay-off on his books as "legal fees"? Or his having lied under oath about sexually assaulting E. Jean Carroll? Obviously liberty and all the Republicans hypocritically deem this acceptable.

[liberty]

I wonder why liberty is not incensed about the current President having lied and attempted to cover up a sexual encounter with a porn star, recording the pay-off on his books as "legal fees"? Or his having lied under oath about sexually assaulting E. Jean Carroll? Obviously liberty and all the Republicans hypocritically deem this acceptable.

The thing is, most Americans don't give one iota about Stormy Daniels or Trump's relationship with her. To most people, it looks like a setup. The payment was recorded as a legal expense, and whether that’s accurate is subjective. He reimbursed his lawyer, who made the payment, and that could reasonably be interpreted as a legal expense.

But here’s the thing; it wasn’t public money, he wasn’t President of the United States at the time, and he didn’t lie under oath. Yes, he was found guilty by a jury, but it looks like they wanted to convict Trump of something, so they found something and turned it into a felony. You could do that to anybody. Look hard enough, and you’ll find that almost everyone has committed a misdemeanor at some point, especially businessmen.

We're approaching Armageddon on several fronts, and you people are worried about who's screwing who. I don't care if a guy does goats, as long as the goat doesn't mind and the goat is happy. (Metaphor)

I don't hear anyone here ever discuss the coming dangers of the national debt, as though the problem doesn't exist. But it's potentially the end of our world, and you can't see it, because you're too blinded staring at Donald Trump.

[Big RR]

you people are worried about who's screwing who. I don't care if a guy does goats, as long as the goat doesn't mind and the goat is happy.

But yet you were the one who brought up Clinton and his dalliances decades ago. Apparently you care more than you'll admit.

[Burning Petard]

But a goat is a valuable agricultural resource. Monica was just a b----, of value similar to a kleenex, to be used and thrown away.

Snailate.

[Big RR]

Channeling Hillary there?

[MajGenl.Meade]

We're approaching Armageddon on several fronts, and you people are worried about who's screwing who.

No, we are not. Other than Trump and his appalling fascist minions (and/or handlers) screwing America.
You however seem to be obsessed with making inaccurate off-the-cuff remarks about various peccadilloes.

Peccadillo:

[Sue U]

Peccadillo:

That looks awfully small to be a peccadillo; I'll bet you'd easily get 10 in a bushel.

[ex-khobar Andy]

Per lib:

The thing is, most Americans don't give one iota about Stormy Daniels or Trump's relationship with her.

As you say, most of us don't give an iota. Trump can screw whom he likes, it's his business and Melania's. What he cannot do is disguise his reimbursement for this encounter as a business expense because it isn't. He was prosecuted for this and not for his sexual incontinence.

[Crackpot]

Or his actual incontinence.