Ban Belfast for Barnes

[Scooter]

I hope you remember that in relation to bsg on future occasions when she might express concern/disagreement with something you have said/done. As opposed to the types of responses you might have chosen to throw her way in those situations in the past.

Just sayin'.

[Gob]

FWIW I added my name to the protest, before he was executed.

But waited until after the dog was put down to alert the board, thereby not supporting the cause by spreading the word, a cause which apparently, means so much to her.

Does anyone believe this?

I find it totally incomprehensible myself.

[loCAtek]

Well, I posted that my father was in peril, and no one cared to comment, so I thought no one would care about a distant dog whom I was concerned about.

BTW did you donate to Wounded Warriors.com, which I did provide a link to?

[Gob]

So why bother posting it after the dog was dead?

It make no sense whatsoever.

I sent a reasonable donation to the young soldier who had lost his arms and legs, the one the OP was about, the one you posted in subsequently. Not that that has anything to do with this story in any shape or form, it's just you trying to distract from your lies.

So why did you only post the story when you knew it was too late?

[loCAtek]

So, you refused to help or comment about my father, nor help my brethren if I was the one who brought them up; and you wonder/expect me to turn to you now?

...Turn to you, to help the bereaved family, and any who may be similarly affected?


No, I wasn't expecting that; no, this thread isn't about you.

[Reality Bytes]

ThX RB, I came across this story only recently on Facebook. Why FB? Don't I think it's evil?
It most certainly it is, but I was searching for a way to send a birthday Ecard to a dear old friend [Who's b-day is today.] ...without paying for it and that led me to open the FakeBoot. From there, there is one page that I like to read and peruse, and that is: Real Men are Kind to Animals



....they usually have many uplifting stories of animal rescues: fight-dog recoveries; military airlifts of unit mascots; special needs adoptions [where I found the article on 'Stevie Wonder']; and the life-saving of pets, wildlife and live-stock by hardcore, caring, individuals, etc.

As you can see, they seem to be highlighting the 'Save Lennox' campaign, while providing many links to like-minded, supportive pages.

...till now, I had no reason to suspect that thier causes, were anything but legit, and I took them at thier word.


They are also claiming that dog behaviorist celebrities, like Victoria Stilwell and Cesar Millan tried to offer to 're-home', Lennox and were refused, is this true?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/11/world/eur ... ?hpt=hp_t2

Cesar Millan - yes and no he did comment on the Lennox case but it was to state his complete opposition to any breed specific legislation and to defend the pit bull temprement, he refused to comment specifically on Lennox or make any comments about the court case. However, a little later the Cesar Millan Foundation said they had been in direct contact with Caroline Barnes stating their willingness to try and rehabilitate Lennox if the court would allow it. No such offer was ever put before the court by either Ms Barnes or the Millan Foundation.

Victoria Stillwell - thats a different matter, she entered the fray shortly after Cesar Millan commented, depending on which side of the argument you are she was either publicity seeking, unprofessional or genuinely moved to help. As I understand it she made some highly critical comments specifically about one of the prosecutions experts, this apparently resulted in him taking legal action against her for libel as far as I know that case is still pending - VS herself has now claimed the legal action to be "threats" designed to prevent her from helping. Her offer was to try and find Lennox a home in the USA, she did not offer to take him herself, again this offer was never put before the court by either the family of VS herself - though she claims she made the offer to BCC but was threatened by them too.

[Gob]

No, I wasn't expecting that; no, this thread isn't about you.

Where have I ever tried to make this thread about me?

[The Hen]

So, you refused to help or comment about my father, nor help my brethren if I was the one who brought them up; and you wonder/expect me to turn to you now?

...Turn to you, to help the bereaved family, and any who may be similarly affected?


No, I wasn't expecting that; no, this thread isn't about you.

I wasn't even aware your father was in peril. I do n ot read all the posts here.

I hope he is out of his peril now.


However, is this thread about a dead dog, or the peril your father was in?

[loCAtek]

This thread is about a case of dog breed discrimination; which as I explained ealier, I only became aware of less than a week ago. It was on the eve of the euthanization, in fact. I did what I thought was right, but I did not have much time nor interest to post about it here, until recently, since I have a RL life which is more pressing than this online one. [Things like: Dad and Alpha dog nearly dying, etc.]
However, the issue of speciesist [hey! it's a word] prejudice is what I offered up for debate.

[Gob]

I did what I thought was right, but I did not have much time nor interest to post about it here, until recently, since I have a RL life which is more pressing than this online one. .

So this was of little interest to you. Despite the claims you have a life which is "more pressing", you have still managed to post 109 posts here in the last week, or on average 15 a day.

Funny how all these other posts were of greater interest to you than your father, Alpha Dog, or the euthanised dog issue.

Try a different lie.

[loCAtek]

Funny, how you can't stay on topic and obsess about my personal life.

Dog => Dead => Pitbull-like

Can you follow that now, or should I be more explicit?

[Gob]

You raised your personal life three times in this thread, I responded to your raising it once.

Try a different lie.

[loCAtek]

The OP: Dog => Dead => Pitbull-like

respond to that, or divert my thread no more

[Gob]

The OP, pack of lies, now proven by R-B.

[Econoline]

I think LoCa realizes that now; she's already said as much to R-B. But that doesn't negate the fact that the bigger issue (Dog => Dead => Pitbull-like, as she put it; I would have said Dog => "Pitbull-like" => Death sentence is a more accurate way off putting it in that same shorthand) is bigger than this one dog and still worthy of discussion.

[loCAtek]

Exactly Econoline, people are still protesting and debating after Trayvon Martin's death. The individuals weren't saved, but it's worthing investigating these circumstances to see whether there was any unjust biases involved.

No Kill Nation · 129,324 like this
Thursday at 8:31am · ..


Newly released video footage of Lennox during his assessment!

The Belfast City Council's expert described the dog as "one of the most unpredictable and dangerous dogs he had come across."

You decide! What do you think?
The video, dated March 15th 2011, is of Alexandra Lightfoot, the Belfast dog warden many believe influenced the chain of events that lead to Lennox's execution, and David Ryans, hired by the family to do an assessment of Lennox.

"Destroying a dog that had no history of aggression is folly and shames society," First Minister and DUP leader Peter Robinson tweeted, having previously told Lennox supporters that he was unhappy with the outcome of the legal battle.

But the Belfast City Council said that, while it regretted that the court action was necessary, the safety of the public remained its priority.

"Whilst there is an exemption scheme to which dogs of this type may be admitted as an alternative to destruction, there were no such measures that could be applied

I understand this is just one assessment, but it appears Alexandra Lightfoot had rehabilitated Lennox to the point that he was friendly with a new person who he had never met before. This person was the second behaviorist sent by the family, David Ryan. I'm aware that this is the incident where it is was said Lennox lunged at him. Mr. Ryan had Lennox backed into a corner, and touched the dog in a place where there had been evidence of injury. [Mr. Ryan went to clip a leash onto the dog’s collar and “in one movement, he lunged towards me growled, barked and snapped” Despite this incident, Mr. Ryan recommended that Lennox be returned to his family with strict conditions.]

This reaction may have come from the aforementioned incident; "Ms. Barnes also noted that the dog’s behavior had “changed” since a public incident when a group of youths threatened them."

So, a dog protects his family and unfortunately, this family did what many uneducated folks do with 'tough' breeds; they encouraged the protective behavior until it became routine stranger aggression. Then they punish the dog physically, for what they conditioned into him.




Possibly, the only reason the rehabilitation was not completely sucessfull, was because of his breed - his Black Lab side.

Labs have a tendency to develop cancers in the form of Brain Tumors that have been documented to change behavior;

AGGRESSION IN LABRADORS
The incidence of aggressive behavior in Labs is on the rise.

...

Unlike dogs with inherent temperament defects, Labs with temporal lobe lesions will exhibit intermittent periods of aggression and it is not uncommon to hear an owner claim “he is the sweetest most well behaved dog, but unexpectedly and without warning he will suddenly turn-on whoever, human or other dog, that comes near him.” This type of seizure is referred to as a "psychomotor seizure." In some of these cases, treatment with anti-convulsants and anti-inflammatories may control the symptoms. Unfortunately, routine laboratory tests are not typically useful for identifying psychomotor seizures because these dogs usually show normal values. Depending on the severity of the condition, X-rays of the brain or EEG, may confirm an abnormality, and in the case of PMS with behavioral problems, the abnormality is usually detected in the temporal lobe of the brain.

This was the kind of dog I was bitten by; he seemed a normal black lab, placed in the kennel for obedience training. One day, all I did was enter his cage to feed him, and when I wouldn't let him get past me out the door, he chomped down on my wrist.
Perhaps, Lennox shouldn't have gone back to his family, if they were not prepared to deal with a special needs dog.
He was sadly in a perfect storm situation.

[BoSoxGal]

What are the credentialing requirements to be considered an expert dog behaviorist in the UK, I wonder?

They aren't terribly stringent here.

I saw nothing in the video that indicated aggression; he's teasing the dog with treats and the dog seems quite well behaved.

I suspect my dog Jenny would be euthanized by this lot; she still gets excited on rare occasion and forgets she's not supposed to jump on people. She's also a very gentle, loving dog.

I don't think dogs should be euthanized for dangerousness unless they have bitten and broken skin. Call me old fashioned.