A Mass Shooting? Wake Me Up when Something Unusual Happens

[dales]

Why are you being so nasty?

Try being kind (even if you disagree with them) it shows a scintilla of empathy for your fellow humanoid.

[Scooter]

The very fact that you went to the Nazi imagery in the first place....

Then when you are shown to be wrong, and you reply with a sarcastic comment, what do you expect, a parade in your honour?

[dales]

My inclusion of NAZI imagery was posted because the NAZIS did not want Jews to own firearms.

what do you expect, a parade in your honour?

Why, yes........how did you guess?



we all know how NAZIS LOVED parades!

[Scooter]

My inclusion of NAZI imagery was posted because the NAZIS did not want Jews to own firearms.

And equating those who support gun control to Nazis wasn't "nasty" at all, was it?

[Econoline]

My inclusion of NAZI imagery was posted because the NAZIS did not want Jews to own firearms.

The NAZIS also did not want Jews to own carrier pigeons, or lottery tickets.

Why don't you run out and buy yourself a flock of pigeons and a handful of scratch-off tickets? We'll wait here.

[dales]

My inclusion of NAZI imagery was posted because the NAZIS did not want Jews to own firearms.

And equating those who support gun control to Nazis wasn't "nasty" at all, was it?

No, that was NOT my intent, I was trying to drive home a point (which from your responses, proves that I succeeded somewhat).

[Econoline]

The point I got was that you don't know history half as well as you think you know it...

[BoSoxGal]

I realize this is kind of random, but I just watched Ken Burns's documentary on the Roosevelts for the second time, and I'm just utterly convinced our country is in a downward spiral from which there appears to be no escape. I realize life is 'better' in many ways than it was 115-70 years ago, but I also think there has been a fundamental loss of civility and compassion that is exacerbating by degrees with every passing decade.

Perhaps it's just more proof of my pessimism. Perhaps it's truth. I found myself envying my grandmother, who lived through the greatest hardships and deprivations of the 20th century and no doubt in my mind lived in a better time.

[dales]

The point I got was that you don't know history half as well as you think you know it...

Fair enuff!

[dales]

I realize this is kind of random, but I just watched Ken Burns's documentary on the Roosevelts for the second time, and I'm just utterly convinced our country is in a downward spiral from which there appears to be no escape. I realize life is 'better' in many ways than it was 115-70 years ago, but I also think there has been a fundamental loss of civility and compassion that is exacerbating by degrees with every passing decade.

Perhaps it's just more proof of my pessimism. Perhaps it's truth. I found myself envying my grandmother, who lived through the greatest hardships and deprivations of the 20th century and no doubt in my mind lived in a better time.

My grandmother raised three kids during the Great Depression. She worked long hours in a millinery shop in Milwaukee, WI. Her husband (my grandfather) died of a ruptured appendix. No money for hospital. She was left with three kids to raise during very hard times.

The good old days, really weren't.........except...............

I'll take the 1960's as a GREAT TIME to be coming of age.

[liberty]

I realize this is kind of random, but I just watched Ken Burns's documentary on the Roosevelts for the second time, and I'm just utterly convinced our country is in a downward spiral from which there appears to be no escape. I realize life is 'better' in many ways than it was 115-70 years ago, but I also think there has been a fundamental loss of civility and compassion that is exacerbating by degrees with every passing decade.

Perhaps it's just more proof of my pessimism. Perhaps it's truth. I found myself envying my grandmother, who lived through the greatest hardships and deprivations of the 20th century and no doubt in my mind lived in a better time.

I very pessimistic about the country not for myself, financial I have never been in better shape; it is the people that I love that I worry about. I think that the country will outlast me, but I fear my children and grandchildren will not be so lucky. I am doing all I can to build up resources for them to inherit, but I realized that it all can be undone by some future government. Gold and silver can be outlawed, bank accounts can be seized and even real estate can be taken.

And if economic depression is not enough for you consider this: In my opinion the two countries that are mostly likely to dominate future are Russia and China and neither one is a great defender of personal liberty. If I had to chose one over the other, I would chose Russia, there would be a better chance of a positive out come for my people.

[Scooter]

Gold and silver can be outlawed, bank accounts can be seized and even real estate can be taken.

Don't forget that all your guns will be taken, women will be forced to abort their babies, marriage to the opposite sex will be outlawed and Islam will become the state religion.

[wesw]

this just in.....

the Periodic Table has been outlawed.

elements no longer exist.

we are compounds , everything is a compound

do not resist, do not resist.....

[Big RR]

I'll take the 1960's as a GREAT TIME to be coming of age.

I'll agree with that; it was a time (perhaps one of the last times) when people cared enough to demand changes even if it did not benefit them directly. From civil and women's rights to the antiwar movement, people were moved to stand up for what they believed in. It didn't last, and some perverted it, but the idealism was there (and it never completely left some of us). Add to that the optimism that we could do anything if we put our minds to it (like getting to the moon), and it was one of the greatest times.

[rubato]

Liberals today demand changes which don't benefit them directly. I advocate for higher taxes for myself for better schools and vote for them as do many of my liberal friends. I had a long discussion with two carpool partners (both women, if that matters) about paying taxes for better childcare and they said they would vote for raising their own taxes by > $1,000/yr to provide childcare for other people. Both were middle-income. One had adult children and the other was not going to have children.

Many people make voluntary sacrifices in order to make the world a better place.

We have exceeded, by far, the water conservation goals in this community because people like making sacrifices for the common good.


I find no evidence for the idea often expressed that people used to be better.


yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

I'll take the 1960's as a GREAT TIME to be coming of age.



I'll agree with that; it was a time (perhaps one of the last times) when people cared enough to demand changes even if it did not benefit them directly.

Gee, and I thought it was all about partying and getting laid...

(Of course I "came of age" in the 70's, and partying and getting laid were high priority objectives in that era as well...)

[Big RR]

rubato--I don't think people were better, just more passionate and less cynical (and maybe more naive). And that passion led to demands for change at a much faster pace than would have been otherwise realized. Meany people are still altruistic, but it is generally mixed with a healthy dose of pessimism that it won't make a difference overall. At that time people though major social change was possible and demanded it, now many have become cynical and blithely accept elections where the choices are the lesser of two evils.

Jim--that's what was held over from the 60s; not that it was all bad

[wesw]

um, partying and getting laid were big in the 80 s too....
i think that they have always been pretty popular with the kids.....

what was it like in the 40 s meade?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Well I was busy fighting Mexicans toward the end of the decade but since you ask:

CINCINNATI, August 21, 1845.
I have progressed far on my long journey, having thus arrived here last night too late to do anything but go to bed. I cannot say that I am any more reconciled to our parting than the first moment I was made aware we had to part.

I will give you now a little account of my journey. I left Washington on Friday morning, having received all the kindness and attention possible from Salvadora and her husband. In the cars from Washington I met Major Craig1, on his return to Philadelphia, who said he would call and tell you he had met me. At the Relay House I parted with him and got into the cars for Cumberland, where I met Mr. Randall2, who married Miss Wirt, and was in Congress with your father the last session he served. Mr. Randall being a very intelligent gentleman, we sat together and conversed during the whole day, till evening, when we arrived at Cumberland, where he remained. I found his society most agreeable.

At Cumberland I took the mail stage for Wheeling, and found myself with but one passenger, a young merchant, from Huntsville, Alabama, returning from Philadelphia, where he had been purchasing goods. On account of his admiration of Philadelphia, he being a sterling Whig, and withal a very intelligent man, I took to him. We arrived at Wheeling at eleven o'clock Sunday night, and finding the water very low, I determined to go overland to this place and depend upon taking the river here. I left Wheeling at six o'clock Monday morning, and reached Zanesville late that night, started early the next morning, travelled all night, and got here about ten last night. I took a bath, went to bed, and had sweet dreams of you and my children.

I have found here many acquaintances, mostly of the army; one, Captain Irwin, an old friend, who has been running round the town with me this morning, assisting me in making purchases of articles necessary for my outfit, such as horse equipments, bed and bedding, etc. I very much fear this will be a most ruinously expensive business, and I wish to heaven I was out of it; but it was absolutely necessary to procure these things, and I could get them cheaper here than in New Orleans, besides my intention of spending no longer time than absolutely necessary in that city. I shall leave here to-night or early to-morrow morning for down the river, and may probably spend a day at Louisville, where I understand that Elizabeth3 and her children are staying. I also expect to overtake there a young officer of our corps, on his way to Texas, whom I find by the books at the hotels is just one day ahead of me. I shall then proceed immediately to New Orleans, and if there is not a vessel going soon to this place, I will go to some place in the neighborhood of New Orleans known to be healthy, and wait there till one should be ready. At New Orleans I expect to see your dear handwriting, as I am some days behind the mail.

I cannot tell you how anxious I am to hear from you, of my dear mother, who I trust is more reconciled to my departure, and of my dear boys, who, alas, are too young to feel it. Give my very best love to dear mother, and tell her I will soon write to her, maybe I will do it before I leave here, but I am in such a whirl of excitement, that I can hardly keep still, and writing makes me most melancholy

[liberty]

I had a long discussion with two carpool partners (both women, if that matters) about paying taxes for better childcare and they said they would vote for raising their own taxes by > $1,000/yr to provide childcare for other people. Both were middle-income. One had adult children and the other was not going to have children.



yrs,
rubato

The best thing would be for one parent to stay home with the children, but if that is not practical the next best thing would be universal child care. And I would favor taxes to support such a system. However, it would do little good if all that was being done was warehousing them until they could be turned over to their parents. Children need to be taught appropriate behavior while they are young and it can be fixed into their personalities.

I have seen little children talk back to their parents and call them names. If I had done that my mother would have killed me. I don’t mean that she would have literally killed, but I would have received a serious whipping and no one would have done anything about it. I am nearly seventy years old and my mother is nearly ninety and I would not do it today.