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I really have trouble understanding how libturd, in a thread about 17 dead students and teachers in Florida, manages to insert several dozen LOL 'smilies.'

ETA - please accept my apologies if I have missed some profound and subtle meaning in your post. But I don't think so.

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This seems to describe Scot Peterson's dilemma pretty thoroughly. It's nice to see he assessed his failings so soon after the incident and quit the force, not wanting to risk similar problems in the future. Not everyone is cut out for police work and it's "baptism by fire" that is sometimes needed to hammer the message home.

Sadly, I doubt if he'll ever find other suitable employment in his community. He may even be branded for life regardless wherever he goes. Maybe he'll try filing some kind of civil lawsuit against some local and/or state governmental agency to gain some kind of well needed compensatory damages -- if that's possible. Hero to zero... in less than five minutes.

BSG, I do agree that Peterson may very well be a candidate for the suicide you mentioned above. A midnight peanut butter and Glock sandwich has been the way out for far too many officers who failed those who were counting on them.
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Lord Jim wrote:
'I really believe I'd run in there, even if I didn't have a weapon'
How could he possibly run with those terrible bone spurs?
It's as if you're psychic:

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Something else Il Boobce said today:
“We’re going to have to start talking about mental institutions
(What a coincidence...I've been thinking a lot about the merits of mental institutions, ever since oh, about January 20th of last year...)

You would think mental institutions would be the last thing Donald Trump would want people to start talking about...
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A person who says he would run toward someone who is shooting people with a semi-automatic weapon should be placed into a mental institution. In this country we place a person like that in the White House.

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BoSoxGal wrote:Apparently Trump has grown a set since the Vietnam War:
Trump on Florida shooting: 'I really believe I'd run in there, even if I didn't have a weapon'
Oh, if only!

What a self-promoting piece of shit. :evil:
At least that would have resolved the problem of whether to impeach the bastard or wait for him to resign in shame like Nixon and Agnew did.
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RayThom wrote:
This seems to describe Scot Peterson's dilemma pretty thoroughly. It's nice to see he assessed his failings so soon after the incident and quit the force, not wanting to risk similar problems in the future. Not everyone is cut out for police work and it's "baptism by fire" that is sometimes needed to hammer the message home.

Sadly, I doubt if he'll ever find other suitable employment in his community. He may even be branded for life regardless wherever he goes. Maybe he'll try filing some kind of civil lawsuit against some local and/or state governmental agency to gain some kind of well needed compensatory damages -- if that's possible. Hero to zero... in less than five minutes.

BSG, I do agree that Peterson may very well be a candidate for the suicide you mentioned above. A midnight peanut butter and Glock sandwich has been the way out for far too many officers who failed those who were counting on them.
Did you read that whole article? Did you read about how SWAT officers and other high intensity LEOs have to constantly train to overcome the body’s totally natural stress cascade response to danger? How most LEOs in this country don’t get that much training to be effective in an active shooter situation, how many don’t get any?

I don’t know how you can keep saying he failed or was a coward. I’d bet a years’ wages that in the same situation you would’ve been dealing with Hershey squirts in your drawers and frozen immobile, handgun or no.

Don’t bother responding; I’m too well informed after more than a decade working with LEOs to buy your BS. :roll:
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BoSoxGal wrote:
RayThom wrote:
This seems to describe Scot Peterson's dilemma pretty thoroughly. It's nice to see he assessed his failings so soon after the incident and quit the force, not wanting to risk similar problems in the future. Not everyone is cut out for police work and it's "baptism by fire" that is sometimes needed to hammer the message home. Sadly, I doubt if he'll ever find other suitable employment in his community. He may even be branded for life regardless wherever he goes. Maybe he'll try filing some kind of civil lawsuit against some local and/or state governmental agency to gain some kind of well needed compensatory damages -- if that's possible. Hero to zero... in less than five minutes. BSG, I do agree that Peterson may very well be a candidate for the suicide you mentioned above. A midnight peanut butter and Glock sandwich has been the way out for far too many officers who failed those who were counting on them.
Did you read that whole article? Did you read about how SWAT officers and other high intensity LEOs have to constantly train to overcome the body’s totally natural stress cascade response to danger? How most LEOs in this country don’t get that much training to be effective in an active shooter situation, how many don’t get any? I don’t know how you can keep saying he failed or was a coward. I’d bet a years’ wages that in the same situation you would’ve been dealing with Hershey squirts in your drawers and frozen immobile, handgun or no. Don’t bother responding; I’m too well informed after more than a decade working with LEOs to buy your BS. :roll:
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I really have trouble understanding how libturd, in a thread about 17 dead students and teachers in Florida, manages to insert several dozen LOL 'smilies.'

ETA - please accept my apologies if I have missed some profound and subtle meaning in your post. But I don't think so.
I accept your apology because you did miss the it. Those are not smiley faces but laughing faces and they are being not directed toward Florida or anything that happened there but here.

Well, I see that you consider liberty a turd that reminds me of Vietnam and the Cold War when some liberals would refer to Communism as just another form of democracy. Personal freedom is not considered very important by some when it is not their freedom that is in question.
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some liberals would refer to Communism as just another form of democracy
I have never heard of communism as referred to as any form of democracy, although I have heard many anti-communists referring to it as being a form of (indeed, according to many, the only form of)totalitarianism. Actually, however, it is neither, it is an economic system, just as capitalism is, and the political system associated with it can be totalitarian, democratic, or any other. While the Soviet and Chinese communist system were totalitarian, so is post communist Russia, and there are many non communist dictatorships throughout the world (many of them touted as US allies). As for personal freedom, neither the left nor the right has a very good record in that department.

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liberty - just out of curiosity, do you consider the National Firearms Act of 1934 (which regulates—but does NOT ban—fully automatic firearms and short-barreled rifles & shotguns) to be unconstitutional? If not, why couldn't that law be amended to include all—or at least some—semiautomatic firearms?

(BTW, Karl Frederick, the NRA’s president back in 1934, said at the time, “I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.”)
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econo--your post wasn't directed to me, but I agree it could be amended as you suggest so long as it could be shown that there was a significant basis to treat these guns differently as compared with other semi automatic guns.

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What have the ages of those chaps got to do with anything? They were (even Hamilton, as Washington's aide) effectively soldiers - some better than others. But soldiers have ever been young men - does the fact that these chose to pick up guns have anything to do with gun control?

When they began to show some sagacity in politics (not so much Lafayette and definitely not the deceased Hale), they were not 18-21 years of age at all. Oh and Light Horse Harry was not very sensible at all off the battlefield

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I'm guess that average life expectancy at that time was around 40 years old.

Many of the great composers were writing major works, and operas even, as they were entering their teen years.
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People often forget that the average life expectancy was due to high infant (and childhood) mortality. If you made it to 10 odds are you’d make it to old age.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Actually, I think the average life expectancy was less than 40, but this was more a consequence of children dying at young ages (something that continued well into the 19th and even 20th centuries before medical advances and vaccines turned that tide); women dying in childbirth also drove that number downwards. I recall reading that the average life expectancy of someone (or at least a man) who survived childhood (which I assume was 16 or 18) was in excess of 60, and many lived into their 70s and 80s.

That being said, children were expected to begin working and doing things at earlier ages--most finished their trade apprenticeships or schooling by around 16 and were given big responsibilities and had families shortly thereafter; and some of the prodigies did indeed achieve more at young ages (I'm not sure why this was accepted then--I think most nowadays would ignore a 12 year old composer regardless of how good his music was).

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That meme looks like it's making an argument against raising the age of purchasing rifles to 21... :?
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I was thinking that as well, but then it could be a meme encouraging people to listen to the high school students who are speaking out. Or maybe it's someone just posting something without any point of view at all, letting people conclude what they want. Or maybe it's an ageist attack on our president. Or ...

FWIW, it doesn't seem to be communicating a heck of a lot, at least clearly.

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I was thinking that as well, but then it could be a meme encouraging people to listen to the high school students who are speaking out.
I suspect the latter was the meme creator's intent, however the former is the unintended effect...

(And I say that as someone who is personally in favor of the age raising proposal)

As Meade points out, the important contributions that the men on that list are associated with came much later than 1776, so as an argument for "listening to young people" it really falls flat...
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