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[Lord Jim]

You know a lot of conservatives who are adamantly opposed to circumcision do you Sue? Or conservatives who support having it banned?

[@meric@nwom@n]

Oh, and Jim:

I know that it's become trendy among many on the left to look down on the practice of circumcision

WTF????? This is clearly not a "left-right" issue, and your attempt to paint it that way is either disingenuous or foolish, and in any event insulting.

Sorry Jim but you've jumped the shark again. The most conservative man I was ever with was uncut and considered those who had their boys cut to be barbarians. In discussing it he said that even as a newborn he knew better than to allow anything sharp near his "unit".

[Guinevere]

Oh, and Jim:

I know that it's become trendy among many on the left to look down on the practice of circumcision

WTF????? This is clearly not a "left-right" issue, and your attempt to paint it that way is either disingenuous or foolish, and in any event insulting.

Wow, I totally missed that comment. Yikes, LJ.

Funnily enough. the uncircumcised men I know (or knew, as the case may be ) (with one exception) are all catholic, conservative, and have raised their children in a similar vein.

[Lord Jim]

Yeah, I guess it must be all those right wingers in San Francisco that got this proposition qualified for the ballot....



I don't know a single moderate or conservative who would support banning circumcision. Not one.

I have also never seen a single conservative commentator, op-ed writer, public official, blogger, etc. ever take up the cause of the evils of circumcision.

I have seen a number of liberal ones do so.

[Rick]

I guess Georganne Chapin is a conservative then...

[Sue U]

You know a lot of conservatives who are adamantly opposed to circumcision do you Sue? Or conservatives who support having it banned?

Actually, Jim, if you just do a little bit of the google you'll find that many conservative Christians are adamantly opposed to circumcision and believe it is a sin. I doubt you'll find many card-carrying leftists among them.

[Sue U]

I don't know a single moderate or conservative who would support banning circumcision. Not one.

I have also never seen a single conservative commentator, op-ed writer, public official, blogger, etc. ever take up the cause of the evils of circumcision.

I have seen a number of liberal ones do so.

A-hem:

Georganne Chapin of Intact America with Laura Ingraham on Circumcision
Laura Ingraham hosted Georganne Chapin on the Obama Administration's push to circumcise every American boy.

http://paxalles.blogs.com/paxalles/2009 ... ted-2.html

Yeah, that noted liberal Laura Ingraham and the arch-conservative Obama Administration ....

[Rick]

Is she against circumcision or against Obama cares payment for circumcision?

Can't pull it up where I'm at...

[Gob]

I don't believe in God-given commands, particularly because I'm pretty sure I don't believe there is a God.

that was my suspicion, thanks for confirming it. (Do you know shit about cooking and are arrogant looking though? )

and I've never known it to make a difference to the men, with one exception, who is very proud of his uncircumcised penis.

And one who is very enamoured of his circumcised one?
(ref: Sean's quote re. Edi.)

[Guinevere]

I don't believe in God-given commands, particularly because I'm pretty sure I don't believe there is a God.

that was my suspicion, thanks for confirming it. (Do you know shit about cooking and are arrogant looking though? )

Sue is *definitely* not arrogant looking . . .

and I've never known it to make a difference to the men, with one exception, who is very proud of his uncircumcised penis.

And one who is very enamoured of his circumcised one?
(ref: Sean's quote re. Edi.)

I didn't pick up the reference and didn't want to. Thanks for spoiling my supper . . . (insert barfing icon here)

[Joe Guy]

Banning circumcision is definitely a "Liberal" idea, although at first glance it seems more like something that Conservatives would support - given that they mostly want control over a person's body to be controlled by law rather than by individuals.

However, this is an interesting thread.

I still haven't seen a convincing argument to support circumcision for newborns.

[Rick]

A small aside:

Initially I thought I was being directed to the CDC site however it turned out it was Fox "news".

Dr. Peter Kilmarx

When I first read that I thought it was "Klimax".

I giggled...

[Rick]

I'm guessing this is the study that Georganne was referring to.

I can't find anything that suggested Obama supported wholesale circumcision of all US males.

I'm not saying he didn't I saying I can't find anything...

[Sue U]

[url=http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsh ... cision.htm]I can't find anything that suggested Obama supported wholesale circumcision of all US males.

I'm not saying he didn't I saying I can't find anything...

Of course, Obama is bent on cutting off the penises of every male American and then putting everyone in FEMA camps to be gay-married under Sharia law and get the socialisms.



(Oh, and thanks, Guin, you don't look too arrogant yourself.)

[The Hen]

I am all for personal choice in such matters.

Personal choice comes with age ... Just like any cosmetic procedure for other than a health matter.

Why should circumcision be considered differently?

[Rick]

Of course, Obama is bent on cutting off the penises of every male American and then putting everyone in FEMA camps to be gay-married under Sharia law and get the socialisms.

Was that directed at me?

If so the sarcasm is misplaced, you know more about Ingram than I ever will...

[Sue U]

No, not at you, Keld; it was meant as a commentary on the right-wing media's obsession with twisting every government action under Obama, no matter how innocuous, into some kind of terrorist assault on Real Americans TM. On this issue in particular, see:

Rush claims Obama 'wants to mandate circumcision'
By Catharine Richert
Published on Thursday, August 27th, 2009 at 4:41 p.m.

Related rulings:

"President Obama . . . wants to mandate circumcision."
Rush Limbaugh, Tuesday, August 25th, 2009.

Ruling: Pants on Fire! | Details

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A new rap song by the hip-hop artist Jay-Z takes a shot at Rush Limbaugh. But the radio talk show host — referring to the rapper as "Mr. Z" — said he was honored to be mentioned.

"Does this, Snerdley, mark a new development in my career to be singled out in a rap song by the famous rapper Jay-Z?" he said to his call screener on his Aug. 25, 2009, show. "I guess it is. As far as I know I have never been mentioned in a rap song by anybody. I guess it means I've made it. I'm now in a rap tune by the famous rapper Jay-Z. (The song says) '[T]ell Bill O'Reilly to fall back. Tell Rush Limbaugh to get off my balls.' I would remind the rapper Jay-Z: Mr. Z, it is President Obama who wants to mandate circumcision. We had that story yesterday; and that means if we need to save our penises from anybody, it's Obama. I did not know I was on anybody's balls, either. I'm happy to know that they think I am, though! But I didn't actually know that I was."

It's an issue Limbaugh explored on his Aug. 24 show as well, saying, "Not that I'm against circumcision, but it's a family's decision. Leave our penises alone, too, Obama!"

He cited a Fox News story about an upcoming report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that may recommend circumcision for newborn boys as a way to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS, because studies show that the procedure can reduce transmission of the disease from women to men. The CDC will be discussing what to include in the recommendations at the National HIV Prevention Conference, which is being held in Atlanta this week.

The CDC is still mulling its decision, CDC spokesman Scott Bryan said in an e-mail.

"It is important to note that the recommendations are still in development and the CDC has made no determination at this time about the final content," he wrote. "There is a deliberative process for our circumcision recommendations that allows for both external and internal CDC experts to weigh in, followed by a period of public comment after the draft recommendations are published. With respect to infant circumcision, it is important to recognize that many options are still being considered in this process, including simply educating parents about the potential benefits and risks in order to ensure they can make an informed decision."

CDC is also considering whether to recommend circumcision for adult men who are at high risk for HIV infection, Bryan wrote.

He emphasized that the recommendations "will be completely voluntary."

We wondered whether Obama had been involved in the issue and specifically in the CDC's decision to write the guidance, as Limbaugh's claim indicates.

We scoured his voting record on Congressional Quarterly , his position papers and speeches on Project Vote Smart , and even typed "circumcision" into the White House Web site , and came up with nothing. From what we found, Obama has not used the word "circumcision" in any public statement as a candidate or as president. We also found no evidence that he has recommended circumcusion to the CDC.

The only link —- and it's an indirect one — that we could find between Obama and the CDC's efforts was a press release on the White House Web site announcing a series of HIV/AIDS community discussions, the first one being held in conjunction with the National HIV Prevention Conference we mentioned earlier. But the release did not mention circumcision.

It turns out that circumcision recommendations have been under discussion since 2007, when George W. Bush was president. Given the fact the CDC was pondering the idea back then, it is no more accurate to say Obama wants to mandate circumcision than to say Bush did.

So, back to Limbaugh's claim. He says Obama "wants to mandate circumcision." But the CDC's eventual recommendations — if they even include circumcision — will be voluntary, not mandatory. In addition, we could we find no connection between Obama and the new guidance, and no evidence that Obama had even used the word in a public forum. In fact, the recommendations were under discussion long before Obama took office. This one is ridiculous enough to set the meter ablaze — Pants on Fire!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... cumcision/

[Rick]

Off topic but in my estimation the Rabid Right and the Luney Left share common ground...

[Sue U]

Just out of curiosity (and not to derail the thread), do I qualify as Loony Left? (I still can't see a circumcision ban as any kind of "left v. right" issue at all.)

[Sue U]

I am all for personal choice in such matters.

Personal choice comes with age ... Just like any cosmetic procedure for other than a health matter.

Why should circumcision be considered differently?

I've given my personal reasons, but perhaps as a general principle it should be, Hen. In any event I don't think it's a matter for legislation, but for consultation with family and physician.