Ex-smokers rights!

[Jarlaxle]

I'm sure some of the Yanks here would be happy to send you some...just mark the box "creatively".

[Sean]

I think I saw a Vamo V5 for around a tenner on slowtech and was tempted, the MVP Shine has been in my cart more times than I can remember but I have yet to press checkout simply because I'm still a little unconvinced I "need" vw lol my forum mates keep trying to get me to go SVD but thats a bit too big for my liking plus its a fingerprint magnet so that'll drive me nuts. I loveeeee my protanks especially with the airflow controllers - got some clones on their way from slowtech and I have loads of different colour tanks, beauty rings and drip tips, I keep looking at the Nautilus because I really like the look of the cage sleeve but the fact its a rebuildable is putting me off a bit.

lol - nobody needs vw, it just makes for a better vaping experience... Not to mention you can throw an 18650 battery in it and have up to 5,000 mAh of vapey goodness before you need to change the battery. Oh and the Nautilus isn't actually a rebuildable, it uses coil heads just like the protanks do.

We've got a couple of Aussies on the board - you should pop in and see us. http://allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/

I'll have a look around, cheers.

[Daisy]

Signed up for that forum today.

I've burned through a quarter of the bottle of posh juice I bought. I'm going to try a couple of the others from that range. Going to persuade hubby for one last ride out to Skeggy before we go home on Saturday to get some.

[BoSoxGal]

29 States Seek Tighter E-Cigarette Regulations - NYT
By ELIZABETH A. HARRIS AUG. 8, 2014

Twenty-nine state attorneys general on Friday urged the Food and Drug Administration to strengthen its proposed regulations on electronic cigarettes, a business that has exploded into a $2.5 billion industry with virtually no regulatory oversight.

Earlier this year, the F.D.A. proposed federal restrictions on the products for the first time, including a ban on the sale of e-cigarettes to people under 18, and a requirement for identification to verify a buyer’s age. In a letter sent on Friday, the attorneys general supported these steps but said they did not go far enough.

“While the Proposed Rule addresses some of our concerns, it fails to address matters of particular concern, such as characterizing flavors, the marketing of e-cigarettes, and the sale of tobacco products over the Internet,” the letter said.

Among the restrictions called for in the letter, the attorneys general urged the federal government to prohibit the sale of most e-cigarette flavoring.

More than 7,000 flavors are available across the industry, including Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough and Graham Cracker. Public health officials say such flavors can be used to appeal to children.

In 2009, the F.D.A. banned flavors from traditional cigarettes, like clove, chocolate and vanilla — menthol was exempt — in an effort to deter young people from picking up the habit.

The letter also urged restrictions on the advertising and marketing of e-cigarettes to bring the rules more in line with those that apply to traditional cigarette companies, which have had to adhere to tight restrictions for years.

“Each year, electronic cigarette companies spend millions of dollars advertising their product — often on prime-time television — glamorizing smoking in the same way combustible cigarettes did before those commercials were banned,” New York’s attorney general, Eric T. Schneiderman, one of the letter’s signatories, said in a statement. “And each year, more and more youth try electronic cigarettes, exposing themselves to the proven dangers of nicotine.”

At a committee hearing in June, Senator Jay Rockefeller, Democrat of West Virginia, chastised several executives for marketing practices that senators said appealed to children, including the use of flavors.

“I’m ashamed of you,” Mr. Rockefeller said. “You’re what’s wrong with this country.”

Though still a small portion of the overall tobacco industry, e-cigarette sales have grown over the last few years even as the number of traditional smokers has declined. Recently, big tobacco companies, including Altria, which makes Marlboro, have introduced or announced e-cigarette initiatives of their own, moves that have the potential to greatly speed the industry’s growth.

Some public health experts have said that e-cigarettes appear to be a less dangerous alternative to traditional tobacco products, which are loaded with substances like tar that e-cigarettes do not have. (E-cigarettes contain nicotine dissolved in a liquid that becomes a vapor when heated, which the user inhales.)

But others say that too little is known about e-cigarettes to accurately assess their safety, and that they may hook more people — especially young people — onto nicotine than they help wean off standard cigarettes.

[Long Run]

It is a little tricky: how to promote the use of e-cigs to help smokers quit the far more dangerous regular cigarettes, while not promoting the use of e-cigs to nonsmokers.

[Daisy]

I have yet to meet a non-smoker who has started vaping. I think that big pharma are pushing the wolf cries on that one.

I was researching some new kit today and this popped up in the sponsored ads on google.

http://www.nicorette.co.uk/e-cigarettes ... wgodFI4AbA

The NRT companies are shitting themselves over vaping. It's finally a means for people to stop feeling guilty about enjoying nicotine.

I got my delivery of three of the halcyon haze juices this morning. I nearly bit the hand off the postie when he arrived.

Gins Addiction RB!!! You have GOT to try it. Not cheap but oh my word it is wonderful.

Happy hazy Daisy

[rubato]

Converting smokers to vapors who would otherwise have quit is the same as converting non-smokers arithmetically speaking.

Freedom is the ability to choose how you will be enslaved.



Yrs,
Rubato

[Reality Bytes]

Does it taste of Gin thos Dais? Cos I reallllly don't like Gin however I am vaping Blue Absynth (celtic vapours) which is reallllly nice and bright blue to boot! I have 4 on the go at the mo, Sarsparilla (yummy yummy yummy) Blue Banana (Blueberry & Banana who'd have thought they'd go together but somehow they do!) both from Big Juice and my Joose Juice 20% extra strong Soft Mint steeped for 4 weeks which is delicious and the Joose Juice menthol also 20% stronger with a dash of their Black Cherry added to it.

Oh and Sean I have a nice sparkly MVP 2 Shine edition in purple

[Reality Bytes]

Converting smokers to vapors who would otherwise have quit is the same as converting non-smokers arithmetically speaking.

Freedom is the ability to choose how you will be enslaved.



Yrs,
Rubato

Thats presuming that they would otherwise have quit - and speaking for myself that was never going to be the case - I liked smoking and after doing it for 35 years there was bugger all chance of anything other than vaping that was going to get me to stop.

As far as being "enslaved" - big deal I happen to enjoy my addiction and don't have a single problem with admitting that I am an addict, frankly theres a lot of things I'm addicted to and nicotine just happens to be one of them.

[rubato]

Thats presuming that they would otherwise have quit - ....

Yes, that is what my post said. I phrased it that way so it would be clear that is what I was saying.


Freedom is the ability to choose what master you will serve. Giving you the ability to assert what is worth a human life, and what is not.


Yrs,
Rubato

[Joe Guy]

Thats presuming that they would otherwise have quit - ....

Yes, that is what my post said. I phrased it that way so it would be clear that is what I was saying.

rubato also wrote: Converting smokers to vapors who would otherwise have quit is the same as converting non-smokers arithmetically speaking.

Your sentence would make no sense at all to anyone who is not fluent in rubato-ish.

For example, one way to convert smokers to vapors is to obliterate them with a destructive weapon.

The phrase Smokers who would otherwise have quit is incomplete and should end with the word smoking. The term arithmetically speaking makes no sense because it doesn't define what you believe the arithmetic similarities would be. There are other inconsistencies also, but it's not worth the time to go into them.

Finally, there is no way you could definitely know whether smokers would have otherwise quit before converting to "vaping." You would only have their word(s). If you converted non smokers to vaping in a study you would have a more likely chance of being accurate because you can test for evidence of past smoking.

So you weren't clear in your phrasing....

[Daisy]

Does it taste of Gin thos Dais?

It tastes like a really lovely summery cocktail. Gin is in there in the background but it's more complex than say a gin and tonic. There's blackcurrant, citrus and menthol on the top notes, on the exhale you get a hint of aniseed.

I'm glad I found these complex liquids a few months after finally ditching the cigarettes as my palate is ready for these now, I don't think I would have appreciated the subtleties earlier.

[BoSoxGal]

I think you ladies should 'vape' to your hearts' content; anything's better than polluting your lungs with all the toxic substances present in ciggies.

[Reality Bytes]

I've just ordered some premium hand built micro coils wicked with organic wool which apparently will enhance the flavours quite a bit - and even I should be able to manage rewicking so they should last a lot longer than the stock coils. I've found that I don't like heavy citrus flavours I've got some very strong lime here that I thought I'd love but I really don't, same with the skittles and juicy fruit flavours I've got they are too sharp for me now that my taste buds and sense of smell have improved so much. I'll give them another go with the new coils but think they'll end up in my swapsies box.

[Sean]

Organic cotton wool is my wick of choice RB and readily available from chemists too. If you re-wick and dry burn the coil every 3-4 days it should last a couple of months easily. I've been using FTs pre-built coils which are great but have an order in for some kanthal wire now... I want more control over size/resistance.

[wesw]

I ve been putting off going to the vapor store. you all may have talked me into it. there are e cigs that work ok for me, but I can t afford them, they end up costing more than cigs.

and I want high nicotine levels when I switch.

I will break my no cursing and no hating rules...

I hate fucking cigarettes

[Daisy]

I vape 18mg/ml liquid. The average liquids you can get 3 x 10ml for £10 in the UK, cost of a good(ish) entry level kit is around £20 but I now have four batteries and 8 tanks - I still reckon I've saved over £500 on cigarettes since January.

Just looking at the price of my old brand of cigarettes, they're around £7.80 a pack (that's almost $13USD) we pay 70% tax on tobacco here plus VAT at 20%.

Give it a try Wes. Go into it with an open mind and don't force yourself into giving up cigs straight away if you don't think you can, you might find yourself a gradual switcher.

Good luck

[Reality Bytes]

I agree with Daisy - don't go into it as an either/or start off by dual fueling by all means have a cigarette if you want one, but have the option of the vape as well and maybe vape when you feel like a ciggie and push back the time between cigs thats how a lot of us made the switch. I still have stinkies in a cupboard in the house and still know if I want one I can have one - but frankly I don't want one, my vape is far far nicer.

I do recommend though that you choose a decent starter kit rather than going for a cig-a-like it will work out cheaper in the long run and gives you a much better idea of what vaping is like, those cig-a-likes are very different to a tank and liquid set up.

I keep an excel spread sheet of my vaping spend vs what I would have spent on the analogues in 4 months I've spent £532.81 ($882) on equipment and e-liquid (inc postage costs) but I would have spent £932.96 ($1546) on cigarettes over the same period so I've actually saved £400.15 ($663) and a lot of my equipment could be sold on so has a resale value.

[Sean]

I ve been putting off going to the vapor store. you all may have talked me into it. there are e cigs that work ok for me, but I can t afford them, they end up costing more than cigs.

and I want high nicotine levels when I switch.

I will break my no cursing and no hating rules...

I hate fucking cigarettes

Ditto to what both Daisy and RB said Wes. Make the change at your own pace. Once you have bought the hardware the costs of vaping are minimal... juice and coils basically.

Just beware of 'shinyitis'. There is always a newer, better piece of equipment out there...

[Daisy]

Hey Wes, did you give vaping a go?

I have a bunch of liquids in for swapsies if you want some to try RB.