Getting vaccinated

[Big RR]

Again, if there is a public health concern, the public health authorities should address it; further, a refusal to cover treatment covid patients does not prevent the infection of others--indeed, it may promote it.

[Gob]

Fair comment.

[ex-khobar Andy]

I'm not entirely serious: but a nurse or doctor looking after you because you fell off a ladder or because you ate too many deep fried PB&J sandwiches is not putting their own life on the line. We all do risky and/or foolish things - inter alia, driving too fast, skydiving, playing football, smoking, dropping a router eight feet onto your own head when moving a stepladder, whatever - and they are part of the human condition.

From the piece:

SHAPIRO: Have you had any conversations with sick patients who chose not to get the vaccine? Like, what do they say when they're coming to you in dire straits?

EDWARDS: Most of them have regret they didn't take it seriously. yeah, some of them still come across like this isn't real. They don't believe us. They don't believe they have COVID. And so that's even more mystifying to us. But generally, it's a great sense of regret.

We have to do something to convince some of these selfish idiots who think they are striking some sort of blow for personal freedom that they are just foolish. I don't know what it takes.

[Scooter]

I wouldn't deny them care, but if any sort of care has to be rationed for any reason, at this point they should be put at the bottom of the priority list, regardless of their actual need. And when the dust settles, their insurance premiums should definitely skyrocket, because they have been proven to take inordinate and reckless risks with their health. If they did it with this, they will do so with something else.

[Big RR]

I'm not entirely serious: but a nurse or doctor looking after you because you fell off a ladder or because you ate too many deep fried PB&J sandwiches is not putting their own life on the line. We all do risky and/or foolish things - inter alia, driving too fast, skydiving, playing football, smoking, dropping a router eight feet onto your own head when moving a stepladder, whatever - and they are part of the human condition.

From the piece:

SHAPIRO: Have you had any conversations with sick patients who chose not to get the vaccine? Like, what do they say when they're coming to you in dire straits?

EDWARDS: Most of them have regret they didn't take it seriously. yeah, some of them still come across like this isn't real. They don't believe us. They don't believe they have COVID. And so that's even more mystifying to us. But generally, it's a great sense of regret.

We have to do something to convince some of these selfish idiots who think they are striking some sort of blow for personal freedom that they are just foolish. I don't know what it takes.

I would presume they are vaccinated and would use appropriate containment procedures,

Scooter--those two ideas make sense; but only if they apply to risky behavior across the board..

[ex-khobar Andy]

I wouldn't like to proscribe 'risky' activities such as rock climbing or spelunking or scuba diving (partly for selfish reasons because I have done all those to one degree or another) because most of the people who do those things have spent a lot of time in safety training. But when there is an easy and cheap way to reduce the risk (seat belts, wearing helmets on a bike, always climbing or diving with a buddy) and the person willfully ignores that risk reduction it's different.

I was in a bad car accident abut 30 years ago. Came off the road in a Buffalo blizzard sideways into a utility pole and broke my elbow and hip. They fixed me up and I have some metal in my joints, but no lasting effects. In the hospital I met another guy, much younger than me, who had had a very similar accident. He wasn't wearing a seatbelt and his damage was far more severe. One anecdote does not make a pattern: but if there is an easy way to reduce risk, I'll take it every time. Life is not risk-free but we do what we can to make it tolerable.

The basic point I was making was, at least in the hospital for which this guy was the CEO, medical staff who went bravely into battle when we were all in this together were more than a little pissed that they were still expected to fight, at some risk to themselves, when it could have been almost completely avoided if these idiots, continually led astray by well paid troublemakers at Fox 'News' , had taken some tolerably easy precautions. And I can't say I blame them.

[Methuselah]

TPF

I’ve been trying to get my beloved 30’s-something granddaughter to get Covid vaccines for some time, with no success. Her announced reason for avoidance is a “personal decision”. She won’t even discuss the subject now. TPF, you’ve had the longest-lasting after-effects among any of my acquaintances. I’d be interested in your responses to the following questions. I’ll use this in future discussions with her:

Do you regret getting the second vaccine now? Would you have done it if you knew what the after-effects were likely to be? Will you accept a follow-up shot when one becomes available?

Do you think anyone beside those with medical barriers to vaccines should avoid the vaccinations?

Do you ever try to get a Reluctance Avoider try to change their mind? Should they just be left alone if they resist these efforts? Have you found any arguments that have been effective in these efforts?

Thanks, Methuselah.

[Long Run]

I wouldn't like to proscribe 'risky' activities such as rock climbing or spelunking or scuba diving (partly for selfish reasons because I have done all those to one degree or another) because most of the people who do those things have spent a lot of time in safety training. But when there is an easy and cheap way to reduce the risk (seat belts, wearing helmets on a bike, always climbing or diving with a buddy) and the person willfully ignores that risk reduction it's different.

I think the more apt analogy is for someone who is a high risk car driver, where he not only endangers himself, he endangers others. All of the other activities, or bad habits like smoking or eating deep fried cubes of butter, only impact the person with the risky behavior. Right now, for pretty much every situation, we take care of everybody no matter how risky or foolish their behavior that causes their situation. The only real leverage society has imposed is a tax on certain risky behaviors like tobacco taxes and alcohol, and higher insurance on bad drivers and certain behaviors.

[MGMcAnick]

I've had discussions with a couple people in their 20s in the last week or so. They don't offer any good reasons for not getting a shot. Maybe they just hate needles. If they wind up in the hospital, they'll get more shots than they ever imagined were possible. It's hard to argue with someone whose mind is already made up. Kind of like arguing with a rock.

[Long Run]

I've had discussions with a couple people in their 20s in the last week or so. They don't offer any good reasons for not getting a shot.

I don't agree with the reasons I have heard but there are two arguments made: 1) this is a "new" vaccine and maybe there will be long term complications from it, so given the very small risk level for this age group they will wait to see how the vaccine works out; and 2) mom and dad and grandparents and all of the high risk categories have been vaccinated so the 20-something cannot infect them. They are ignoring the current data that shows that those who are going into the hospital now for COVID are 99% unvaccinated, are skewing much younger than before (even a small % chance of getting bad health results = a big number across millions of people), and they are ignoring the community/herd immunity consequence of their decision. There is a logic to their thinking but it is based on invalid premises.

[TPFKA@W]

Husband got the Pfizer jab today. I anticipate him being ill in the morning. We shall see.

[Joe Guy]

Husband got the Pfizer jab today. I anticipate him being ill in the morning. We shall see.

He's kinda late to the party. Was he reluctant to get one or is it a slow process out there in your part of the country?

I didn't feel any ill effects with my first shot but I did with the second. Mine was Pfizer too.

[TPFKA@W]

Husband got the Pfizer jab today. I anticipate him being ill in the morning. We shall see.

He's kinda late to the party. Was he reluctant to get one or is it a slow process out there in your part of the country?

I didn't feel any ill effects with my first shot but I did with the second. Mine was Pfizer too.

He is a procrastinator of the highest order. I will pass on the info on your experience.

[Gob]

Our kid gets her first jab Friday.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Got our first one a week back, two days after arriving in the US of A. Good ole Walgreen. Stiff arm for me; day in bed for Margaretta with much body aching and forays to the porcelain throne. She's nervous about the second one now (Moderna)

[TPFKA@W]

Hubby woke up with a sore arm and no other issues. He is out doing yard work as I type. Also chasing the stubborn dog around the yard.

[Long Run]

Hubby woke up with a sore arm and no other issues.

He's still married to you, right? [couldn't pass up the soft lob, sorry]

[TPFKA@W]

Now, later in the day, he is having fairly acute GI issues.

[Sue U]

Most folks I've talked to around here got the Pfizer and virtually none (including me) had any side effects to speak of after either shot. I have one friend who got the Moderna and was fine with the first shot but had a sore arm and some fatigue for a day after the second. But either way it sure beats being in a hospital on a ventilator.

[Crackpot]

Wife and I had soreness after the second shot. The wife’s was worse than mine.