Explosion in Manchester

[MajGenl.Meade]

Yeah, I'm sick of those Shinto suicide bombers. Not to mention the Hindu, the Catholics, the atheists, the Jains; the Buddhists, and the Baptists and the Jews.

Oh... hold on a second....

You don't know anything about history, at all, do you? The shinto Japanese occupying forces practiced torture, systematic slaughter and even cannibalism. They were 'pacified' by force. Catholics have practiced genocide every time they had the chance and even tried to eradicate the entire written works of the Mayan people. Nearly every crusade began with the slaughter of Jews in a European city. I don't know of anything the Jains have ever done wrong. (making them morally superior to all Christians) Buddhists have a nearly clean slate except for the recent persecution of the Rohingya (sp?) The Jews have behaved towards the Arabs in Israel rather like they were treated in Europe. Baptists were in the front lines of the KKK the White Citizens Councils &c.

yrs,
rubato

You don't care too much for music, do you?

Also, get your head out of your past and try to discuss the present. Please advise which of these groups used/uses suicide bombers (which you may have overlooked was the subject)?

For bonus marks, how about atheists - any damage you care to dredge up there?

Thank you

[Econoline]

You don't care too much for music, do you?

He knows he shouldn't kill and he knows he always will kill you for me my friend and me for you.

[rubato]

Yeah, I'm sick of those Shinto suicide bombers. Not to mention the Hindu, the Catholics, the atheists, the Jains; the Buddhists, and the Baptists and the Jews.

Oh... hold on a second....

You don't know anything about history, at all, do you? The shinto Japanese occupying forces practiced torture, systematic slaughter and even cannibalism. They were 'pacified' by force. Catholics have practiced genocide every time they had the chance and even tried to eradicate the entire written works of the Mayan people. Nearly every crusade began with the slaughter of Jews in a European city. I don't know of anything the Jains have ever done wrong. (making them morally superior to all Christians) Buddhists have a nearly clean slate except for the recent persecution of the Rohingya (sp?) The Jews have behaved towards the Arabs in Israel rather like they were treated in Europe. Baptists were in the front lines of the KKK the White Citizens Councils &c.

yrs,
rubato

You don't care too much for music, do you?

Also, get your head out of your past and try to discuss the present. Please advise which of these groups used/uses suicide bombers (which you may have overlooked was the subject)?

For bonus marks, how about atheists - any damage you care to dredge up there?

Thank you

The distinction between bombers and suicide bombers is a bullshit attempt to hide your conclusions in the premise. The reasoning of a child. You have chosen a factor which has no moral bearing just to reach your bigoted conclusion that muslims are morally worse. If you kill, maim, terrorize with an explosive device you are guilty of murder, maiming and terror. In fact killing, maiming, terrorizing with poison gas, guns or by any other means is more similar morally than not. The Tsarnaev brothers were not suicide bombers, was their act less bad? According to you, it must be.

You're a bigot.


yrs,
rubato

[Burning Petard]

We are all bigots. Bad things are bad, but sometimes bad things are necessary. Consider the death of Ken Rex McElroy at Skidmore Missouri in 1981. Was this an act of murder, terroism, lynching? Probably. Yet local, state, federal authorities have all chosen to look the other way.

snailgate

[MajGenl.Meade]

The distinction between bombers and suicide bombers is a bullshit attempt to hide your conclusions in the premise. The reasoning of a child. You have chosen a factor which has no moral bearing just to reach your bigoted conclusion that muslims are morally worse. If you kill, maim, terrorize with an explosive device you are guilty of murder, maiming and terror. In fact killing, maiming, terrorizing with poison gas, guns or by any other means is more similar morally than not. The Tsarnaev brothers were not suicide bombers, was their act less bad? According to you, it must be.

You're a bigot.
yrs,
rubato

Your usual out-of-context selective lying is fully operational, thank goodness. A child may reason but you merely vomit.

Statements to which I was responding:
1. Madmen come in all shapes and sizes and countries of origin.
2. And religions.

Response:
Yeah, I'm sick of those Shinto suicide bombers. Not to mention the Hindu, the Catholics, the atheists, the Jains; the Buddhists, and the Baptists and the Jews. Oh... hold on a second..

As any normal person can see, I was responding cynically to what I perceived as blanket condemnation of all religious people using the words of a well-known song (Universal Soldier; most normal people understand the moral point of that song as to responsibility)

Not a word about Muslims. Nothing about Manchester even. Nothing about relative moral values of killing people by various means. (And you need to actually read to see further discussion in which I agreed that mad people inhabit all religions and irreligions for that matter).

So carry on foaming at the mouth over nonexistent words, meanings and your self-created delusions. You know nothing of actual history.

And you don't care too much for music, do ya?

[Lord Jim]

Ariana Grande visits injured fans at Manchester hospital



(CNN)American singer Ariana Grande made a surprise visit with fans injured in last month's terror attack at her concert in Manchester.

The pop star surprised youngsters Friday night at the Royal Manchester Children's Hospital ahead of a benefit concert Sunday for victims of the attack.

"Ariana brought everyone a sunflower and a teddy bear," Lauren Thorpe told CNN. "It was unbelievable."
Thorpe's eight-year-old daughter, Lily, suffered a shrapnel wound in her back and is currently recovering from surgery.

"Lily's face lit up and Ariana was amazing with her," Thorpe said. "She knelt by her and sat on her bed with her and told her 'I'm so proud of you, you are so strong and doing really well'."

The surprise visit comes less than two weeks after a suicide bombing that targeted fans as they left Grande's concert. Twenty-two people -- many of them children -- died in the blast, and close to 60 were injured.

After canceling her upcoming shows in London and Switzerland, Grande organized a star-studded tribute concert in Manchester for the victims. Taking the stage will be Justin Bieber, Coldplay, Katy Perry, and Miley Cyrus, among other stars.

All proceeds from the show will go toward the "We Love Manchester Emergency Fund," in partnership with the British Red Cross and Manchester City Council.[Okay, not exactly a music line-up that I'd camp out all night to get tickets for, but props to them for getting involved.]

A young girl named Jaden who met Grande from her hospital bed posted a picture of the two on Twitter. "I got to meet my queen today," she tweeted.

The pop star's visit was a much-needed respite for everyone at the hospital, Thorpe said. Her daughter even got to talk about her favorite Grande songs with the star herself, she added.

"All the children and parents were so happy she came," Thorpe said. "It's helped everyone focus on all of the good and kindness of people rather than the hate."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/03/europe/ar ... index.html

I had never heard of Miss Grande, (Tati isn't really in-to teeny bopper music) but after I saw her picture, I realized I had seen her before (in a T-Mobile commercial) . While her music ain't my cup of tea, she obviously gave a real morale boost to a lot of hurt and traumatized kids, and good on her for that.

There are a lot of self-absorbed divas in her line of work, but she certainly seems to be a decent and good-hearted sort....

She also met later with families of those who were killed:

Ariana Grande met families of those who died in the terror attack on her show at the Manchester Arena when she returned to the city ahead of Sunday's tribute concert.

The US pop star met some of those who lost loved ones at an undisclosed location on Friday, including the mother of Martyn Hett, 29, and 19-year-old Courtney Boyle.

Martyn's brother Dan tweeted a photo of his family with the 23-year-old star.

He said: "Endless respect to Ariana Grande for coming back to our city and meeting my family and so many others."

The singer had earlier surprised youngsters injured in the attack by visiting them in hospital.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... anchester/

[RayThom]

The concert live:

[ex-khobar Andy]

A brave and determined young woman. Obviously there were lots of people behind the scenes who pulled this concert together, but to get it done in a week was a monumental effort. It reminded me of the Eno/U2 Concert for Sarajevo; and as it happened I tuned to PBS where they had a tribute to Pavarotti who was part of an earlier concert (War Child) for the city with Clapton and Eno and Bono, with clips from that concert.

[Bicycle Bill]

Can someone please explain the significance of the 'bunny ears' on the ribbon icon in the logo?
Or is this another new flash in the pan, here today/gone tomorrow millennial-generation fad like dabbing, Pokémon Go, and fidget spinners?

-"BB"-

[RayThom]

Can someone please explain the significance of the 'bunny ears' on the ribbon icon in the logo?...

They are part of her "brand."

Bunny ears explained:
http://popcrush.com/ariana-grande-billb ... y-alvarez/