Sexual Responsibility

[Big RR]

As would I Miles; as would (I'd bet) most people. It's the moral thing to do. But the question is, should we pass laws commanding moral behavior?

[Crackpot]

you mean like laws against murder?

[loCAtek]

You have to prove it was his intent to murder, and not just shag the Sheilas silly!

[Crackpot]

I was talking about legislating morality. All law "legislate morality" to some extent. And there is nothing wrong with that in and of itself. It gets sticky when you start championing a sects morality absent any demonstrable social benefit.

Given that in this instance the law would be protecting the population from infection it passes that particular litmus test. Where it runs into problems is enforceability as well as likely infringements on the rights of those infected.

[Gob]

what is that risk, though, gob? It's far from a certainty (just as pregnancy is not a result of every sexual encounter where contraception is not used.

I don't have any figures I'm afraid, but SURELY the risk of you giving someone HIV is vastly raised if you know you have it!

[loCAtek]

Well no, for that you need a Western education, and research indicates Mr. Zaburoni is not originally from Australia, but Zimbabwe, which has a much worse 'sex education' program; if any at all. Being a circus acrobat in Ox, doesn't expose you to much medical information either.

There are a lot of myths and misinformation in Africa about HIV/AIDS, some of it as simple-minded as 'having sex with a virgin cures AIDS'. Perhaps mistakenly, Mr. Zaburoni thought since his over-all health was fine, his HIV was not an issue? ...for the simple reason, he didn't know all the facts?

[loCAtek]

Some are taking this to task of the Australian Immigration Board; why was Mr. Zaburani given a visa?

HIV/AIDS

Permanent visa applicants 15 years of age or older must take an HIV/AIDS test. Permanent applicants aged under 15 years must also take this test if being adopted or there is a history of blood transfusions or other clinical indications.

Temporary visa applicants who intend to work as, or study to become, a doctor, nurse, dentist or paramedic in Australia are required to take an HIV/AIDS test.

If the applicant is found to be HIV positive, a decision on whether the applicant meets the health requirement will be made on the same grounds as any other pre-existing medical condition. The main factor to be taken into account is the cost of the condition to the Australian community of health care and community services. Standard pre and post-test counselling must be provided by the doctor who examined the applicant.

...seems Mr. Zaburoni entered the country with his circus in 1997, and hadn't been tested for HIV before in his native Zimbabwe. This could mean all the information on HIV transmission and AIDS complications, was given to him only briefly, perhaps by only one doctor.

[Gob]

Interesting Lo.

I'll look into that further...

[Big RR]

what is that risk, though, gob? It's far from a certainty (just as pregnancy is not a result of every sexual encounter where contraception is not used.

I don't have any figures I'm afraid, but SURELY the risk of you giving someone HIV is vastly raised if you know you have it!

No, I would agree there is a much greater risk of transmitting HIV to someone else through sexual activity if you are HIV positive, but (all other things being equal) this risk would be the same whether you knew you were or not.

Given that in this instance the law would be protecting the population from infection it passes that particular litmus test. Where it runs into problems is enforceability as well as likely infringements on the rights of those infected.

Quarantine laws could protect the population from infection without the crinminal sanction or the invocation of any moral proposition to criminalize behavior.

[Gob]

The risk would be the same BigRR, though the moral and ethical situation would not; you would be knowingly putting someone at risk, life threatening risk.

But to decide who would pose a risk, and need quarantining would need a legal process and use of law enforcement staff?

[SisterMaryFellatio]

HIV Acrobat get safe sex warning
Emmaline Stigwood | June 9th, 2010

A CIRCUS performer charged with passing on HIV to at least two women has been banned from having unprotected sex and hanging out at nightclubs after midnight.

Godfrey Zaburoni, 32, was yesterday granted bail in the Supreme Court in Brisbane on a list of conditions including that he use a condom for all sexual acts and disclose his HIV-positive status to any potential partners.

The former Gold Coast-based acrobat must also have counselling and learn about the virus which the court was told he may have passed on to 37 women who have contacted authorities since Mr Zaburoni's arrest last month.

Crown barrister Kathryn Dent opposed bail saying putting conditions on Mr Zaburoni's 'bedroom' behaviour would be difficult to enforce.

She said conditions to ensure he did not stay at licensed premises after midnight were needed to protect 'vulnerable women in a state of intoxication'.

"The risk is simply that he will continue to have encounters with women and not disclose his status," said Ms Dent.

Justice Ros Atkinson granted bail after Legal Aid lawyers said Mr Zaburoni had no desire to return to his native Zimbabwe and would surrender his passport.

The court was told he would live with his girlfriend in Sydney who was willing to offer a $5000 surety.

[SisterMaryFellatio]

Its come to light that this guy knew he has the HIv virus and went out to the clubs and bars here and puposefully picked up the very drunk women at the end of the night to shag and infect them!

The general consensus here is that he needs to have manslaughter/murder charges. That his terms of parole are laughable. His tally is up to 37 women who have had the balls to come forward at the moment...i wonder how mnay out there are to ashamed or embarrased to come forward?

[Gob]

Its come to light that this guy knew he has the HIv virus and went out to the clubs and bars here and puposefully picked up the very drunk women at the end of the night to shag and infect them!

The general consensus here is that he needs to have manslaughter/murder charges.

Agreed, no bail either.

[loCAtek]

Its come to light that this guy knew he has the HIv virus and went out to the clubs and bars here and puposefully picked up the very drunk women at the end of the night to shag and infect them!

Source?

[Big RR]

Yes, I'd like to see that as well; especially the support for the allegation that he had intercourse with the intent to infect them.

[SisterMaryFellatio]

Some local talk back radio....thats why they barred in from clubs after midnight in his bail ruling.

[Timster]

Ok. Now that is just ridiculous. This wanker is going about infecting people with HIV maybe not knowingly at first; BUT NOW HE KNOWS and so does everyone else, and the court passes a restriction that bars him from shagging anything AFTER MIDNIGHT???

What? These stupid sluts cannot get bent before "midnight"?!

WTF!? Are they Cinderella for cripes sake? And what happens after midnight that could not have just as easily happened before that? They slopped their Golden Dripper?!

PUHLEEEEEEEEEAAAAASE!

*Spit!*

[loCAtek]

Some local talk back radio....thats why they barred in from clubs after midnight in his bail ruling.

Hmmm, well the news sources still say that the charges against him allege he did it knowingly.

Also included in his bail conditions is;

The former Gold Coast-based acrobat must also have counselling and learn about the virus.

Why does he have to learn about the virus, if he knows he using it with intent to harm?

[Sean]

Why does he have to learn about the virus, if he knows he using it with intent to harm?

I imagine that would be a standard, assumptive, arse-covering ruling Loca...

[Scooter]

It's not arse-covering if it serves to negate intent on the part of the defendant.