A Very Disgruntled Employee...

[liberty]

Well since you are not in favor of restricting gun ownership to only the militia how about this. Target areas of high crime and out law guns in those areas and authorize and instruct the police to inspecting vehicles and individuals to insure that the streets in those areas ARE FREE OF GUNS. That would make a big difference in the homicide rate. What would be wrong with that? There are already laws that apply to only certain states?

See, this is what happens when your copy of the Constitution only includes the Second Amendment.

So in your opinion it is ok to abridge some rights but not others? So what would you do about the outrageously high homicide rate in the intercity? Don’t you think the situation in the intercity rises to the level of a state of war? Stop and frisk worked to reduce the murder rate in New York City.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Stop and frisk worked to reduce the murder rate in New York City.

Comrade DeBlasio is doing his best to change that. I just read the other day that they want to institute a policy that if one is stopped and frisked, the cops have to write out and give you a receipt.

[Guinevere]

So you two don't give a damn about the Fourth Amendment.

[oldr_n_wsr]

I would think the cops have a reasonable suspition. They know whos likely to be packin'. I used to work in Bed Sty and anyone spending a little time in those types of neighborhoods can tell who's packing and who's going to cause trouble.
There is a middle ground between anarchy and martial law.

[Guinevere]

"I would think they have a reasonable suspicion/they know who is packing" is not probable cause. And don't forget, the standard is to have a warrant granted by a reviewing court, and examine the factual basis for the probable cause, first. Stop and frisk, such as it is, is an exception to the warrant requirement, not a wholesale invitation to search any dark-skinned person the cops want.

[Guinevere]

Well since you are not in favor of restricting gun ownership to only the militia how about this. Target areas of high crime and out law guns in those areas and authorize and instruct the police to inspecting vehicles and individuals to insure that the streets in those areas ARE FREE OF GUNS. That would make a big difference in the homicide rate. What would be wrong with that? There are already laws that apply to only certain states?

See, this is what happens when your copy of the Constitution only includes the Second Amendment.

So in your opinion it is ok to abridge some rights but not others? So what would you do about the outrageously high homicide rate in the intercity? Don’t you think the situation in the intercity rises to the level of a state of war? Stop and frisk worked to reduce the murder rate in New York City.

We've been through this a million times. There is no right that is absolute or categorically exempt from restriction.

[Econoline]

I've quoted this before, and I don't have the exact quote or the source with me now, but it bears repeating: once we've decided that slaughtering little children in their school is an acceptable price to pay for gun rights, there really isn't any chance that anything will change this nation's mind about guns.

Here's what I was thinking of:

...recently paraphrased by Wonkette as:

If Congress won’t pass a background check after 20 CHILDREN GET SHOT DEAD, then reporters being murdered on live TV won’t be enough to peel their lips from the NRA’s knob.

[rubato]

I've quoted this before, and I don't have the exact quote or the source with me now, but it bears repeating: once we've decided that slaughtering little children in their school is an acceptable price to pay for gun rights, there really isn't any chance that anything will change this nation's mind about guns.

Here's what I was thinking of:

...recently paraphrased by Wonkette as:

If Congress won’t pass a background check after 20 CHILDREN GET SHOT DEAD, then reporters being murdered on live TV won’t be enough to peel their lips from the NRA’s knob.

Sad but true.

The only way we can improve as a nation is if the Republican Party grows a set of balls and starts to address problems or if the Republican party is so marginalized that they can't do anything any more. They are whores of evil.

They whored themselves to the gun-nut right and they whored themselves to the racist south. Until they grow a set of balls and break free, they are evil.


yrs,
rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

"grows a set of balls"? "whores"? Don't like women much do you?

[Joe Guy]

On the other hand, the democrats have someone with a set of balls - Hillary Clinton.

[dales]

Yeah, she snagged them from Bill!

[Lord Jim]

[Guinevere]

Nice - see - jokes, not outrage. No wonder there is still no reasonable, responsible gun control

[rubato]

The proven facts are:

More guns = more gun deaths.
More guns = more gun homicides.
More guns = more police killed.
More guns = more suicides.

Maybe the problem lies with all the guns? By some mysterious mechanism we can't quite discern.

Maybe if we regulated gun ownership more effectively with respect to purchasing, liability, and storage, we would have similar numbers to all of the other G-20?


yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

The problem is NOT firearms, it lies within the human heart.

So you are saying that the human heart in the United States is the most diseased, hateful, murderous and suicidal in the 1st world so we deserve to be killed like this? We deserve to be the only country where a child took an assault rifle to school and slaughtered dozens of other children with it? We deserve to have the highest murder rates in the 1st world because it just reflects the quality of our hearts?

You are saying that it is right, proper, and correct that > 30,000 Americans blow their heads off because that is the quality of the American Heart?


Or is it the case the Americas are about as good or bad as everyone else but we have too many fucking guns handed out too easily and with no liability for the idiots who have them?


yrs,
rubato

[dales]

No.

eta: gotten rid of your 9mm yet?

[Sue U]

Or is it the case the Americas are about as good or bad as everyone else but we have too many fucking guns handed out too easily and with no liability for the idiots who have them?

Yeah, that's pretty much it, plus the fact that the Second Amendment prohibits any genuinely effective gun control since it would interfere with the constitutionally enshrined "right" to own guns. Solving the problem has to start with repeal of the Second Amendment; there is no rational justification for preserving such a "right" in the 21st Century.

[dales]

The Second Amendment WILL NEVER be repealed.

[Sue U]

Why? Have you actually given any thought to it? I am not aware of any other country in the world that makes gun ownership a guaranteed right. No industrialized nation has ever relied on civilian gun ownership to preserve its democracy. The demonstrable risks of injury and death related to widespread gun ownership far outweigh any theoretical justification of a constitutional "right." Sloganeering is not a substitute for evidence-based evaluation of the issue.

[dales]

HAVE AT IT!