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The Hen wrote:So if you support circumcision, you must also be in favour of female general mutilation.
Not at all. (1) The reasons for male genital mutilation and female genital mutilation may differ. And (2) female genital mutilation can be more severe than, less severe than, or equally as severe as male genital mutilation, depending on what form of female genital mutilation is involved.
(1) Reasons for Genital Mutilation
The World Health Organization defines "female genital mutilation" as:
... all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.
It also states that female genital mutilation "has no health benefits, and it harms girls and women in many ways ...."

Although whether male genital mutilation has health benefits is debated, the National Institutes of Health recently stated:
There is no compelling medical rationale for the procedure in healthy boys, although some boys have a medical condition requiring circumcision.
In any event, as the NIH pointed out, male genital mutilation is often performed for non-medical reasons: "Ciurcumcision [sic] is often performed in healthy boys for cultural or religious reasons."

If male genital mutilation is performed because the boy has "a medical condition requiring circumcision," then it is not analogous to female genital mutilation, which "has no health benefits ...." In those circumstances, one can quite consistently support such circumcisions while opposing female genital mutilation.

If, however, male genital mutilation is "performed in [a] healthy boy[] for cultural or religious reasons," then the medical-benefits rationale for male genital mutilation evaporates. But male genital mutilation is not (and self-evidently cannot be) the same as female genital mutilation. Which brings us to ...
(2) Severity of Genital Mutilation
As an initial matter, one might well doubt whether relative severity is even a proper consideration. After all, if one encountered a society in which the left fingers of boys and the left arms of female girls were removed in infancy, one might find oneself hard pressed to support the removal of the boys' fingers on the ground that it is less severe than the removal of the girls' arms.

Be that as it may, some forms of female genital mutilation are obviously more severe than male genital mutilation. But other forms of female genital mutilation are obviously less severe than male genital mutilation. And still other forms of female genital mutilation may be as severe as male genital mutilation.

Male genital mutilation is one procedure, defined as "the surgical removal of the foreskin of the penis."

Female genital mutilation, however, can be any of a host of things. According to the WHO:
Female genital mutilation is classified into four major types.

1.Clitoridectomy: partial or total removal of the clitoris (a small, sensitive and erectile part of the female genitals) and, in very rare cases, only the prepuce (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoris).

2.Excision: partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora, with or without excision of the labia majora (the labia are "the lips" that surround the vagina).

3.Infibulation: narrowing of the vaginal opening through the creation of a covering seal. The seal is formed by cutting and repositioning the inner, or outer, labia, with or without removal of the clitoris.

4.Other: all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, e.g. pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterizing the genital area.
It seems to me obvious that (a) "partial or total removal of the clitoris"; (b) "partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora, with or without excision of the labia majora"; (c) "narrowing of the vaginal opening through the creation of a covering seal ... formed by cutting and repositioning the inner, or outer, labia, with or without removal of the clitoris"; and (d) "cauterizing the genital area" are more severe than male genital mutilation.

It seems to me obvious that "pricking ... the genital area" is nowhere near as severe as male genital mutilation, because it involves no serious or permanent injury, let alone the removal of erogenous tissue. It also seems to me that "piercing ... the genital area" is nowhere near as severe as male genital mutilation. Again, it does not involve the removal of any erogenous tissue. And if it involves "permanent injury," then so does ear-piercing. Also, as WebMD points out:
One of the most common types of female genital piercing is known as the vertical clitoral hood or VCH. This is a vertical piercing that's done through the skin that lies above the glans -- the rounded head -- of the clitoris. This results in direct stimulation of the clitoris during sexual intercourse. The VCH is popular partly because the direction of the piercing conforms to the natural shape of the woman's body. ...

Other common female piercings include:

Horizontal clitoral hood or HCH. This is basically the same as a VCH, only the piercing goes in a horizontal direction in the skin above the clitoris.

Triangle. This piercing is the same as the HCH only it's below the clitoris rather than above it. It also provides direct stimulation to the clitoris but on the underside.

Labia piercings. Either the inner or the outer labia -- the lips of the vagina -- can be pierced. Often with labia piercings, there are multiple piercings. That's because the thickness of the tissue can support multiple pieces of jewelry.
The closest call, it seems to me, is "partial or total removal of ... only the prepuce (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoris)." The procedures -- removal of the skin surrounding the clitoris and removing the skin surrounding the glans penis -- are directly analogous. But there may be features which make one more or less severe than the other.

(As to "incising [and] scraping ... the genital area, I suppose that the relative severity depends on a host of factors, including the particular genital area(s) involved, the dimensions of the incision(s), whether any tissue is permanently damaged or removed, etc.)
Supporting Male Genital Mutilation While Opposing Female Genital Mutilation Can Be Consistent Or Inconsistent Positions
In sum, whether supporting male genital mutilation while opposing female genital mutilation is a consistent pair of positions depends on a host of things. Ignoring those things renders an argument facile rather than sound.
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I had to open that post while I'm eating....

It's just been that kinda day... 8-)
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He could have got lost in the crowd...

Hundreds of swimmers have braved the cold of the Northumberland coast in an attempt at a record-breaking skinny dip.

Despite more than 200 naked people running into the 12C sea at Druridge Bay at sunrise, they failed to break the world record.

Organiser Jacqueline Higginson said the event was still a "lot of fun". [I bet it was!]

The North East Skinny Dip was organised to held to raise money for mental health charity Mind.

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Miss Higginson, 34, from Whitburn, took part in a previous Guinness World record dip last year in south-west Wales.

She said: "Today loads of us ran naked into the sea to raise money for Mind and to celebrate ourselves and our bodies.

"I did a skinny dip last year where we broke the world record, I don't think there was enough to do it today but there was enough of us for it to be a lot of fun."

The National Trust, which owns the section of beach the swimmers used, gave permission for the event to take place.

The air temperature in the area was reported to be 5.5C at sunrise.
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Gob wrote:He could have got lost in the crowd...
Only if frozen corpses went unnoticed.
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Nice ass on the chick in the middle!


No, I haven't gone gay, that's just the kind of ass my BF likes. ;)

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he's free, freee, freeeeeee......
Published on Wednesday 10 October 2012 02:45


THE “Naked Rambler” left Scotland yesterday for the first time since being locked up for refusing to wear clothes in public.

Just days after being released from Saughton Prison in Edinburgh, Stephen Gough trekked across the border south of the village of Upper Hindhope.

Wearing nothing but his trademark backpack and a pair of socks, a hat and walking boots, Mr Gough headed into the Northumberland National Park.

The 53-year-old was due to cross the Border at about 8pm last night before finding a place to sleep in England. Mr Gough told yesterday how he eventually plans to head south to Southampton to visit his mother after five months of incarceration.

He said: “I’m really happy to be out of jail and visiting my mum. But all I can think about at the moment is food. I’m very hungry.”

Mr Gough has 18 convictions for breach of the peace and contempt of court for refusing to wear clothes in front of a sheriff and has been in prison almost without a break since May 2006.

His most recent conviction was five months ago.
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Mr Gough told yesterday how he eventually plans to head south to Southampton to visit his mother
Frankly, I suspect Mum is going to have to wait for her visit:

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The distance from Edinburgh to Southampton is 355.57 miles or 572.1 Kilometres.
On a trek of that distance, I would imagine Mr. Gough will be spending time as a guest of a number of local burghs before he gets near South Hampton....(Well, at least that will solve his food problem...)

Geez, what a self destructive fruitloop.... :loon
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Sounds vaguely Tolkienish - "The Hampton goes South"
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For our American chums, in cockney rhyming slang; Hampton wick = Prick

One of Spike Milligan's psuedonyms was "Hugh Jampton", work it out yourselves. :D
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Interesting. If he plans to avoid motorways he should be hitting Rood Hill at an appropriate time

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Serious shrinkage awaits

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If he was worried about that he should have been home with his wife and kids, instead of arsing (literally) about the countryside getting arrested for no good reason.
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Gob wrote:... getting arrested for no good reason.
Yep.

If the authorities would stop arresting people for no good reason, we'd all be better off.
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Is his wife Austrian?

For passengers on the early morning commute, it certainly brightened up their journey.

A woman boarded the subway rail network in Vienna wearing nothing but a pair of knee-high leather boots and a smile.

Passengers were stunned when the nude woman got on the Vienna U-Bahn near the Kardinal-Nagl-Platz station and stood in the middle of the carriage for several stops.

And she appeared to have no qualms about posing for pictures when several commuters reached for their cameras and started snapping away at the modern-day Lady Godiva.

She got off the train a few stops later without saying a word.

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Staff on the Vienna U-Bahn have been studying CCTV images of the woman - who has been dubbed the Vienna Venus - and the Austrian media has launched an appeal to track her down, Heute reported.

Her full-frontal picture has been published in several Vienna newspapers which have asked readers to identify the mystery passenger.

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One publication has even offered to feature the woman in a photo shoot - provided she identifies herself and reveals her reasons for doing it.

According to the Austrian Times, a witness said: 'I couldn't believe it when she stepped on the train and when some people grabbed their mobile telephones and started taking pictures she didn't object.

'In fact she even seemed to be posing for the camera.'

While the woman's actions have surprised many, most seemed more concerned with the fact she chose to bare all during snowfall and freezing temperatures in Vienna.

Vienna's public transit operators Wiener Linien told the Austrian Times: 'We know that everyone has a different perception of temperature. We do not believe that it so warm in our subways that you have to undress.'
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:ok Now THAT's the way to promote use of public transportation!

A few more random appearances and men will be abandoning their automobiles in droves....
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Notice that the woman's nipples are carefully blocked out.

Would a man's nipples have been treated the same way?
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A BRAVE babe enjoys a day strip in London - boarding the Tube naked. But this wasn't an attempt to get around the Underground's air conditioning problems. She's a member of a netball team who all got their kit off at real sites around the capital for a hospice charity calendar. They arrived at 5am in the morning to avoid the crowds for their individual snaps.

The girls from the Capital Nuns side hope to raise thousands for Trinity Hospice in South London. Other shot spots included Big Ben and in the back of a black cab. Miss November - who posed with a brolley in Trafalgar Square - said she had great fun going starkers. She beamed: "Jumping up and down pretending to be blown away by the wind at 5am in Trafalgar Square is clearly a moment to be remembered!"
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fe ... z2A6A3mIZG

Thank goodness it was 5 a.m. in the morning and not 5 a.m. at night - rush hour. :arg

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The blonde at the top of the elevator is well blessed!
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Andrew D wrote:Notice that the woman's nipples are carefully blocked out.

Would a man's nipples have been treated the same way?
I thought she was carrying two rectangular pieces of black cardboard? ;)
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Guess what?
A man known as the 'Naked Rambler' has been arrested again - this time in the lesbian capital of Britain.

Stephen Gough, 53, was detained as he strolled naked through Hebden Bridge, West Yorkshire, after a complaint from a member of the public.

His arrest comes three weeks after he was released from Saughton Prison in Edinburgh, where he had served a six-month sentence for repeatedly breaching the peace.

Gough, a former marine from Eastleigh in Hampshire, vowed to continue walking naked in his 'fight for freedom.'

He crossed over into England and had completed around 220 miles before his arrest on suspicion of breaching the peace at around midday on Wednesday.

Hebden Bridge earned the title of the ‘lesbian capital of Britain’ for having the highest number of homosexual women per head in the UK.

Speaking as he set off from prison on October 5, Gough said: 'I have no route or location in mind but my plans are to head south basically.

'I have no idea if I’ll be arrested again. I’ll just have to wait and see what happens. I’ll be fine in the woods but when I get to a town there could be trouble.

'When I’m not walking and it’s cold I do wear my clothes to keep warm.

'But I’m going to sort out my clothes from the carrier bags and put them in my rucksack and get on my way naked. Hopefully the weather will stay warm.'
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