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This story is interesting for couple of reason: Is it racist that a female a Greek investigator suspected that a blond child might not be the child of the gypsy parents that claimed her? Or how common is blond hair and blue eyes among Gypsies? Or is it racist to see gypsies as a distinctive group of people? But all those question are for yawl’s entertainment not mine. I am only interested in this question: can custody of a child be retransferred from one family to another without legal documentation, I can‘t believe that could be the case? If that is the case it needs to be fixed; my god children are not cats and dogs. To have a child in one’s custody that is not related with out legal documentation should be a crime in itself.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-576 ... g-worries/

ATHENS, Greece The Greek police raided the camp in search of drugs and weapons, part of a crackdown on illegal activity in the Gypsy community. But during the operation, an accompanying prosecutor noticed something else that stood out: a blond, blue-eyed little girl.
Around 4 years old and going by the name Maria, the girl looked nothing like the couple she lived with, officials said Friday. DNA tests proved she wasn't their child, and further investigation raised even more suspicions: authorities allege the mother claimed to have given birth to six children in a total of less than 10 months, while 10 of the 14 children the couple registered as their own are unaccounted for.
As Greek officials now try to figure out the girl's true identity and whether the couple was linked to child trafficking rings, experts are using the case to point out the severe weaknesses in the country's birth registration system.
The child was found Wednesday near Farsala in central Greece. Police say they also found drugs and unregistered firearms in other parts of the Gypsy - or Roma - settlement, which is about 170 miles north of Athens.
The director of Greece's "A child's smile" charity, which is taking care of the girl, praised an observant prosecutor who went on the camp raid along with dozens of police. "She saw a little blond head poking out from under the bedclothes," Costas Giannopoulos told private Skai TV. "It struck her as odd, and that's how it all started."
The couple, a 39-year-old man and a 40-year-old woman, were arrested and charged with abducting a minor. The Greek police have asked Interpol for assistance in helping find the child's real family, while Giannopoulos' charity said it has sought the same assistance from international groups for lost or abused children.
"Her features suggest that she might be from an eastern or northern (European) country," regional police chief Panayiotis Tziovaras said of the girl.
The suspects are alleged to have offered conflicting initial accounts about how they came to have the child - that the girl was found in a blanket, that she was handed to them by strangers or that she had a foreign father.
But their lawyer, Marietta Palavra, said they took her out of charity, through an intermediary, while she was just days old from a foreign stranger who said she could not support her daughter.
Palavra acknowledged that Roma and other Greeks have been known to make multiple registrations of children to get more welfare benefits from the state, but insisted that she was not saying her clients had been motivated by that.
"Just because (the suspect) had forged documents, it doesn't make her a kidnapper," she said. "The couple loved the girl as if she were their own."
Greece's Roma community has for centuries been underprivileged and exposed to poverty and discrimination. According to the London-based Minority Rights Group, some 80 percent of the country's 300,000 Roma are illiterate. Some resort to criminal activity, engendering resentment from the larger Greek community.
In a statement, police said the couple had illicitly registered different numbers of children with authorities in three different parts of Greece.
Officers found another two little girls and a boy living with them in the settlement; their relationship to the couple hasn't yet been verified, but authorities say they bear a resemblance to the couple, whose pictures and identities have not been released.
It's easy to see how Greece's birth registration system can be exploited. Until just five months ago, there was no central register. Even now, births declared in different municipalities before early May 2013 are not cross-checked on a national basis.
A City of Athens statement Friday complained that "extremely problematic and antiquated" Greek law allows people to register babies as their own on the basis of one person's declaration backed by two witnesses. The statement said that, in practice, parents can delay registering their children until they turn 18.
The young girl found in the Roma settlement had been registered in Athens, from where the couple had obtained a birth certificate. Giannopoulos' charity said none of the children declared missing in Greece matched the girl's profile, and that she is undergoing medical examinations though she seems in overall good health.
"We are shocked by how easy it is for people to register children as their own," Giannopoulos said. "There is much more to investigate. There are other registered children that were not found in the settlement, and I believe police will unravel a thread that doesn't just have to do with the girl."

I think a little suspicion might have been perfectly reasonable in this case:


"Mom", "Dad" and Maria

Blonde, maybe. I'm the only blonde in 2 generations of my family, and that recessive trait can be masked (my father (and his whole family) has dark dark almost black hair, mom is a redhead from a family of medium to dark brunettes --- it was my grandfathers who carried the blonde genes). But with those blue blue eyes, she certainly can't be their biological child.

Is this really the type of publicity Nike wants with their "JUST DO IT" clothing?

Thinking about abducting an Aryan kid?

JUST DO IT!

Good catch on the Nike tie-in. It is worth noting that gypsies are also from the Aryan region, notwithstanding the warping of that term by Nazi propagandists.

What is going on here?

A second blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl is removed from Roma family on suspicion of child abduction… in IRELAND
The girl was living with a Roma gypsy family in Tallaght south of Dublin
She was taken away following a major investigation yesterday
Police received tip-off that a fair-haired girl was living with large Roma family
By Jill Reilly
PUBLISHED: 08:02 EST, 22 October 2013 | UPDATED: 12:16 EST, 22 October 2013

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The Dublin youngster was taken into care after officers called to a house in Tallaght in the south of the city, yesterday afternoon.
The parents claimed the child was their daughter, but could not produce a satisfactory birth certificate and after two hours documentation provided could not be verified.
Police were told that the little girl had been born in Coombe hospital in Dublin in April 2006, but when gardai contacted the Coombe hospital staff they had no record of the child having been born on the date the parents claimed, reported the Sunday World.

The girl was taken from the couple, under powers available under Section 12 of the Child Care Act, and put her into care.
This morning the District Court heard an application for an emergency childcare order.
Police were tipped off about the girl by a member of the public who was suspicious that the young girl did not look like any her siblings.
The family are understood to travel back to Romania regularly.
Nobody has been arrested and gardai are trying to confirm the information given to them from the Roma parents.
It is understood authorities want one week to carry out DNA tests to confirm the young girl's identity and biological links to the Roma family.

Jim, isn't that Jay Silverheels on the left?



He was an amazing gunslinger

As the search for Maria's identity widened into an international appeal, Jeremy Irwin, 31, and Deborah Bradley, 30, who lost their daughter Lisa in October 2011, were reported by Greek authorities to be one the eight leads out of thousands they are taking extremely seriously.
Attorney John Picerno, who has represented Irwin and Bradley since their daughter disappeared from her bed after an apparent home invasion, confirmed they were one of four American inquiries about Maria, but refused to go into further detail.
Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, Picerno said, 'We inquire about every child that is found and fits the age profile of Lisa.
'We investigate all leads. I don't have any further comment at this stage.'
But the revelation that Interpol does not have Maria's records on their missing persons' list, will throw the lead into doubt.
Hristos Salis, 39, and Eleftheria Dimopoulou, 40, have been held in custody pending trial after responding to the charges behind closed doors in Larissa, Greece.
The couple, who face a sentence of ten to 20 years in prison if convicted, deny snatching the girl and say they took her under their care after her mother handed the girl to them shortly after giving birth

Guinevere wrote:Blonde, maybe. I'm the only blonde in 2 generations of my family, and that recessive trait can be masked (my father (and his whole family) has dark dark almost black hair, mom is a redhead from a family of medium to dark brunettes --- it was my grandfathers who carried the blonde genes). But with those blue blue eyes, she certainly can't be their biological child.

Blonde hair and blue eyes are both mutations which can occur at any time. You be a mutant!

Both of our parents are dark-haired but all four children were blonde. Both grandmothers were blonde. It's been a long time since it was calculated but the odds against were more than 600:1.



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rubato

TPFKA@W wrote:

Guinevere wrote:Blonde, maybe. I'm the only blonde in 2 generations of my family, and that recessive trait can be masked (my father (and his whole family) has dark dark almost black hair, mom is a redhead from a family of medium to dark brunettes --- it was my grandfathers who carried the blonde genes). But with those blue blue eyes, she certainly can't be their biological child.

Blonde hair and blue eyes are both mutations which can occur at any time. You be a mutant!

Speak for yourself, blondie! (and my eyes are not blue, they are green, which *is* actually a weird mutation)

It's fairly simple genetics, not mutations. Recessive genes, for Brown and Not-Brown. The basic Punnet Square looks like this:

Bb x Bb (assume both parents have recessive gene for blue eyes)

B b

B BB Bb
b Bb bb

where bb is the only possible combination that leads to a blue-eyed child (so I was wrong, the dark parents have a 1/4 chance of a blue-eyed child, if they carry the recessive gene for blue eyes).

If parents are BB and Bb, no blue-eyed child is possible. Same if parents are BB and BB.

If parents are bb, then they can only have a blue-eyed child.

So, perhaps, like Rubie and myself, both gypsies had blonde grandparents on both sides of the family.

I'm an aliem not a mutant, where I'm from the way I look is perfectly normal...

When it turns out that people are wrongly Accused of an offense they deserve vindication, but I still think, due to the rarity of blond, blue eyed Gypsies, the police’s suspicion was reasonable; there are a lot of missing children out there, they have to be somewhere:


DNA confirms that a child found by police in a Gypsy encampment in central Greece is the daughter of a Bulgarian migrant, who says she gave up her baby because she could not afford to care for her.

Sasha Ruseva, a 35-year-old Bulgarian Gypsy, or Roma, said she gave birth to the girl, called Maria, four years ago while working as an olive picker in Greece.

The girl was found last week during a crackdown by Greek authorities on Gypsy settlements. Authorities became suspicious of the couple who claimed to be her parents, because of the girl's blonde hair and blue eyes.

"We gave her, we gifted her, without money," Sashka Ruseva told Bulgaria's TV7 on Friday.

Authorities tracked Ruseva to a gypsy camp in Nikolaevo in rural Bulgaria. She was found living with her husband and several other children, in a home without running water. Five of the couple's children also have blonde hair and blue eyes and resemble Maria.

The Greek Gypsy couple, with whom Ruseva left the girl, were arrested last week for child abduction, a claim they deny.

The girl is being cared for by a Greek charity and held at an undisclosed hospital.

Her discovery set off an international search to find her parents, as well as crackdowns across Europe on Gypsy settlements amid rumors that children were being sold or traded.

Hundreds of families who are missing children, including several in the United States, got their hopes up that Maria could be their child.

The mystery was deepened earlier this week when Interpol found that there was no DNA match for Maria among its international list of missing children.

Guinevere wrote:Blonde, maybe. I'm the only blonde in 2 generations of my family, and that recessive trait can be masked (my father (and his whole family) has dark dark almost black hair, mom is a redhead from a family of medium to dark brunettes --- it was my grandfathers who carried the blonde genes). But with those blue blue eyes, she certainly can't be their biological child.

My wife has pale-green eyes...her father's are dark brown. Best she can recall, so were her mother's. For that matter, her best friend has natural bone-white hair. She is a dark-skinned Dominican.