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I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:47 pm
by Lord Jim
And setting a poor example for his son:
Texas Dad Alleges Bullying In 91-0 Football Game

Texas high school coach Tim Buchanan benched his starters after only 21 plays, kept to a conservative ground game and even allowed the clock to run uninterrupted after halftime to hasten the final whistle. Still, his Bearcats won 91-0.

Now the coach is facing formal accusations of bullying.


The impressive victory for undefeated Aledo High School, a football powerhouse in suburban Fort Worth that has put up similar numbers against other schools, has forced an investigation after a parent from the opposing team filed a bullying complaint. The complaint, which must be investigated under state law, says Buchanan should have done more to prevent the lopsided score.[Should he have blind folded his players? Made them hop on one foot? Put in the cheerleading squad?]

"It wasn't good for anybody," Buchanan said of the Friday win over Western Hills in a Class 4A matchup. "I've sat and gone over and over and over it on what we could have done differently. The score could have very easily been 150 to nothing."

Western Hills coach John Naylor told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram that he disagreed with the bullying allegation, which Buchanan said suggested his coaches "should have made their players ease up and quit playing that hard." Naylor did not immediately return a call from The Associated Press seeking comment Tuesday.

Under state law, Aledo's principal must investigate the complaint and prepare a report. The complaint was filed with the school district, which the law requires to provide bullying complaint forms on its websites.

The University Interscholastic League, the governing body for high school sports in Texas, only has a mercy rule for six-man football that ends a game when one team gets ahead by 45 points by halftime or later. There is no mercy rule for 11-man football, though coaches can agree to end a game early, UIL spokeswoman Kate Hector said.

Buchanan said Tuesday he wasn't aware of that option.

There were about 1,500 fans still in the stands at the end of the game, most of them Aledo's, he said. About 5,000 were at the Bearcats' stadium in Aledo at the beginning because it was a recognition night for band members' parents. A cold front that brought rain added another reason to leave when the game started to get out of hand, Buchanan said.

While blowouts are not uncommon in Texas high school football, Aledo has racked up several of them this season, due in part to being placed in a new district that has not been as strong in football. The Bearcats' average victory margin in four district games is 77 points.

The UIL bases its realignment decisions on enrollment and geographic location to minimize travel time, a move aimed at reducing class absences. When Aledo was placed in a different district before last season, its travel time to the furthest location was cut from two hours to about 35 miles, Buchanan said.

Buchanan's team, which is averaging 69.3 points a game with a 7-0 record, ran just 32 plays but scored on about every third one during Friday's game. Aledo rushed for 391 yards. It scored eight touchdowns on the ground, two each on passes and punt returns, and one on a fumble recovery.

"It certainly didn't seem like they were trying to run up the score in this case," Hector said.


Western Hills had 79 yards rushing and 67 yards passing.

The UIL follows NCAA rules, but most other states follow guidelines of the National Federation of State High School Associations, said Bob Colgate, the federation's director of sports and sports medicine.

Colgate said many of the federation's 48 member states and the District of Columbia have adopted a mercy rule in 11-man football. He noted that a survey published in February found that 16 states reported using a mercy rule with point margins, which are set by individual states, ranging from 30 points to 50 points.

Aledo Principal Dan Peterson said his report on the bullying complaint should be completed this week. It will be given to the father who filed the complaint and the staff at Western Hills.

Hector said anyone can submit a proposal for a rule change, which could then be considered by the UIL's legislative council.

Buchanan said his school, winner of four state titles since 1998, and district are very supportive of the football program. The same, he said, cannot be said of Western Hills.

"It's not so much money as it is lack of emphasis," he said. "If you're going to have a program, support it."
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It seems fair to me that when you have a high school team this much better than everyone else it's scheduled to play against, that some sort of "mercy rule" makes sense. As the winning coach said, games like this aren't "good for anyone." So there definitely seem to be some organizational and systemic issues that need to be addressed.

But given the facts in this case, to accuse the coach of "bullying" seems way over the line to me. When frivolous accusations of "bullying" are made in a situation like this it does nothing but trivialize real bullying which is a very serious societal problem. (Especially now, in the social media age.)

Re: I Think Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:00 pm
by Big RR
A mercy rule might make sense; but I don't see bullying. Indeed, I think it dishonors your opponent if you do not play your best against him or her.

Re: I Think Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:24 pm
by Lord Jim
I'd be willing to bet that the kids on the losing team (quite likely even including this guy's son) probably feel more embarrassed by this "bullying" accusation, (and all the attendant publicity it has brought) then they did by the defeat.

Re: I Think Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:31 pm
by Rick
This is one of those face palm moments...

Re: I Think Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:37 pm
by dgs49
I think the "mercy rule" in football is the continuous running of the clock. Obviously these two teams should not have been on the field at the same time.

A coach can't tell his subs to "lighten up." It may be the only chance they get to show the coaching staff what they can do. Also, injuries are more likely when you are "messing around."

When I read about this game I had flashbacks of a "game" i participated in shortly after I got out of the army. A local semi-pro team was looking for someone to scrimmage, and some friends of mine - apparently while intoxicated - volunteered to bring a "team" to their practice field on a certain day to play. I have never liked or played football, but I could throw a football about 60 yards, which meant that was drafted to be quarterback of the Christians. We completed one (1) pass, and actually gained yardage on three or four plays. Final score: Lions, Infinity; Christians, Zero.

And we weren't messing around. We were doing our best. God it was ugly.

Re: I Think Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:00 am
by TPFKA@W
Anyone notice that the word "bully" is what the word "Nazi" used to be?

Re: I Think Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:32 pm
by eddieq
TPFKA@W wrote:Anyone notice that the word "bully" is what the word "Nazi" used to be?
Yup. All anyone has to do is throw the "B" word out there and people get up in arms. It's like calling someone racist or homophobe or any other number of things like that. It's used so often that the meaning is greatly diminished, unfortunately.

There are truly bullies out there and many of them involved in sports. Calling this coach one is, well, stupid and tantamount to trying to bully them into not winning as big.

Re: I Think Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:11 am
by rubato
He must have been trying to make a joke; like complaining that a boxer is trying to knock out his opponent or that a pitcher is cheating because he throws the ball too fast. Because anyone who has watched the game knows that American Football is ABOUT physically dominating and intimidating your opponent.

Maybe he's English? They seem to think trying too hard to win is infra-dig.

yrs,
rubato

Re: I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:20 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Hmmmm........
Any US fans worth their salt know all about the Belo Horizante upset of England at World Cup 1950, and it stands to reason. Joe Gaetjeans’ moment inspired a 2005 feature film and is still the go-to nostalgia feature for reporters covering the Americans’ World Cup exploits every four years. But the seven matches since have failed to match the 1950's tilt in drama, significance and competition. Maybe it’s because the Americans have been overmatched ever since Gaetjeans’ game-winner, winning just one of the last seven in the series and dropping some of the six other decisions in humiliating routs. With the latest chapter quickly approaching, we take a quick stroll down the memory lane that is US v England.

1953 – England 6, US 3 (England accused of bullying)
Less than three years removed from the upset in Brazil, the Three Lions came to New York for a friendly. With only Walter Bahr and Harry Keough dressed as veterans of the 1950 victory, the 'Nats fell 6-3 to an England team sparked by Tom Finney's brace. Two of the American goals were scored by German-born debutant Otto Decker, but he'd never be capped again.

1959 – England 8, US 1 (England accused of further bullying)
Despite having to navigate a pitcher's mound at the long-defunct Wrigley Field in Los Angeles, England lashed out against the Americans after a 1-1 draw at the break.
The visitors got a hat trick from Bobby Charlton to overwhelm a first half goal from the US’ Ed Murphy, a Chicago amateur who scored in his national team debut.

1964 – England 10, US 0 (England accused of even more bullying)
The Beatles weren’t the only ones who invaded America in 1964. Roger Hunt scored four goals and England cruised at Downing Stadium in New York.

1985 – England 5, US 0 (Accusations of bullying beginning to get to England)
The teams returned to Los Angeles a quarter century after England won big in the series’ California debut, and things didn’t change much in the mid 1980s against a U.S. line-up that featured several Major Indoor Soccer league stars. Gary Lineker won the Golden Boot at the next summer’s World Cup in Mexico, and his unstoppable volley off a Glenn Hoddle lob feed in this one is still a stunner.

1993 – US 2, England 0 (Political correctness forces England to permit a U.S. victory)
Eight years later, the U.S. finally got revenge for all the beat-downs with a U.S. Cup victory in Foxboro, Mass. Featuring much of the squad that reached the round of 16 at the World Cup a year later, the 'Nats kept England scoreless for the first time since 1950. Thomas Dooley bagged the opener and his replacement Alexi Lalas hit for the insurance marker.

1994 - England 2, US 0 (England establishes suitable number of goals to score to avoid accusations of bullying)
The Americans had earned enough respect by the end of the 1994 World Cup to earn an invite to Wembley Stadium, but England played the role of rude hosts. Alan Shearer scored both goals for an England team that somehow missed the World Cup that summer, and was forced to watch the US play on the world’s biggest stage.

2005 – England 2, US 1 (New programme works well but games are not exciting as U.S. simply doesn't try)
Both teams were a year away from World Cup 2006 camp when they met at Chicago's Soldier Field for a friendly at the end of the Premier League season. England walked away 2-1 winners thanks to Kieran Richardson's pair of first half goals, but with 11 minutes to play, Clint Dempsey got the hosts on the board with his first career USMNT strike.

2008 – England 2, US 0 (Teams agree to save travelling costs in future by just assuming England wins 2-0)
While the other European big boys were putting the final touches on Euro 2008 prep, England welcomed the Americans to the new Wembley for the first time. The English won a bore-fest 2-0, with David Beckham serving for John Terry to head home eight minutes before the break and Steven Gerrard added on with a trademark stampede up the middle at the hour mark.

Re: I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:49 am
by Lord Jim
I never knew England had such a good hockey team. Thanks for the info.

Re: I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:04 pm
by rubato
Making my point more than the opposite. The US only recently has started to care even slightly about men's soccer. Professional soccer is just marginally viable in a few markets here. The US basketball team vs England could win every game without ever putting any of the starters on the floor or breaking a sweat.


yrs,
rubato

Re: I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:37 pm
by Guinevere
Meade, where do you hold citizenship?

Re: I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:59 pm
by Lord Jim
I commented on this "evolution" (or more accurately, "devolution") of Meade's earlier:
You know Meade there's something I've noticed that I've been meaning to mention to you...(I'm also curious to know if anyone else has noticed this...)

Ever since you left The Land Of The Free And The Home Of the Brave, I've noticed that you've gradually become less and less American and more and more Limey....

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you've started wearing plus fours...

I've noticed it in your word selection and I also don't remember your being so fixated on these off brand marginal sports when you were living in Cleveland....

Maybe this is all you can get on the telly over there in SA...

Re: I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:29 pm
by Joe Guy
Meade is not a citizen of this world.

He's on a mission from God.

Re: I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:30 pm
by Guinevere
And I'm pretty sure he is a US citizen --- which I'm beginning to think we should revoke . . . .

Re: I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:39 pm
by Lord Jim
Maybe he should change his handle to MajGenl.Cornwallis :P

ETA:

Or maybe, even more appropriately, MajGenl.Arnold.... :mrgreen:

Re: I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:23 pm
by Guinevere
Lord Jim wrote:Maybe he should change his handle to MajGenl.Cornwallis :P

ETA:

Or maybe, even more appropriately, MajGenl.Arnold.... :mrgreen:
I vote for #2. But then again, I guess that's what all those decades in Cleveland will do to a person.

Re: I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:35 pm
by Lord Jim
It may be a while before Meade responds...

I believe he's out on a fox hunt today...

Re: I Think This Guy's A Cry Baby...

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:28 pm
by Rick
Blooming Fields has foxes?