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Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:06 am**

Two German students, in an effort to prove that the Great Pyramids are 15,000 years older than they really are, chipped off samples from the walls of an ancient burial chamber and brought them back home for analysis. Both Egyptian and German authorities are outraged.

As reported in News Corp Australia, the two University of Dresden students subscribe to a popular theory among conspiracy theorists that the Pyramids are evidence of a lost civilization. They consider all reactions against this claim to be part of an ancient conspiracy; the "old guard" is hiding the "truth."

The painted cartouche which named Pharaoh Khufu (Cheops) is scrawled in a small compartment above his burial chamber in one of the three Great Pyramids at Giza.

Their idea is a popular one: That the Great Pyramids were merely "refurbished" by the Old Kingdom Pharaoh credited with its construction in the 26th Century BC. They argue the official dating of the Pyramids is solely based on the presence of the ancient red cartouche.

The two students from Dresden University recently took matters into their own hands: With Egypt's political turmoil distracting security forces, the pair conspired to sample the red paint and smuggle the pigment out of Egypt. They have since asserted the fragments support arguments that the construction of date of the Pyramids was much older than Khufu's reign.

Accredited archaeologists have dismissed their claims as conspiratorial nonsense, noting the mountain of evidence clearly demonstrating when the pyramids were built and by whom— like papyri diaries of engineers working on the pyramids, records of trading expeditions to get the construction materials, and the excavation of a massive nearby worker's camp where the builders resided.

The German embassy in Cairo has issued a statement condemning the students' action. Egypt's ministry of antiquities criticized the incident, saying it was a "great violation of Egypt's ancient heritage, and the great pyramid in particular - the only surviving monument of the seven wonders of the ancient world."

Smuggling samples like this is a violation of international law and UNESCO conventions. The students have been placed on an airport watch list and face immediate arrest should they return to Egypt.

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:28 am**

I've heard this "theory" in reference to the Sphinx, but this is the first time I've heard about it applying to the Pyramids...

What a pair of idiots...

Everybody knows that what's really being covered-up isn't when the Pyramids were built, but the fact that they were built Ancient Alien Astronauts....

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:31 am**

The students have been placed on an airport watch list and face immediate arrest should they return to Egypt.

Why aren't they being arrested in Germany or wherever they are?????

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:15 am**

Sue U wrote:
Why aren't they being arrested in Germany or wherever they are?????

Because all governments are part of a conspiracy to cover up the truth and don't want the truth to come out with the publicity an arrest would cause.

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:37 am**

Wise up sheeple!

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:59 pm**

Conspiracy idiots abound; Millions of Christians still say that the earth is 6,000 years old and sweep away all evidence to the contrary.

yrs,
rubato

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:09 pm**

Millions? Prove that.

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:59 pm**

sue--my guess is because what they did is not a crime in Germany, and they lack an extradition treaty with Egypt/it is not an offense for which they would extradite/Egypt has not requested extradition. Given all the purloined artifacts in the museums throughout the world, especially artifacts from Egypt, I'm inclined to lean toward the first explanation. Sure, it's harder to smuggle such artifacts now, and I'm sure some international law points apply, but I'd bet Germany doesn't have a specific law covering things like this.

Either that, or they really are complicit in the Illuminati's efforts to hide the truth.

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:08 pm**

Meade--when millions of Christians actually believe that blessed (consecrated?) bread and wine actually become (transubstantiate into) the body and blood of jesus in a very real (and physical, not just spiritual (that would place them with the consubstantiationists)), would you really be surprised that the number Christians buying the 6000 year old earth numbers in the millions as well (especially if we are looking worldwide, where many of those believers might not even know how to read)?

I agree among educated Christians it's probably not so many, but I've met people who have college educations and earnestly believe it (and I don't ordinarily have the opportunity to interact with people having such fundamentalist beliefs), and would not be surprised if the number of such believers was fairly high, even in the US. At least more than the snake handlers (ifonly because some of them get bitten and die).

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:18 pm**

Prove that.

Gen'l, you'll be in The Old Soldier's Home long before that happens...

Conspiracy idiots abound; Millions of Christians still say that the earth is 6,000 years old and sweep away all evidence to the contrary.

Wow, so much ignorance and stupidity compacted into so few words...

That's one of rube's greatest super powers; the ability to achieve a bar setting level of efficiency of stupidity in self expression. While some folks might meander around for a paragraph or two before providing conclusive evidence, rube is able to convey the fact that he is a complete ignoramus on multiple levels in just a single sentence. (This latest example, while impressive, is not his best work. I've seen him prove himself to be a clueless fool about multiple subjects with even fewer words than this.)

First, as regards the "millions" claim, we all know where that one came from; Rubato's Great Suppository Of Knowledge, a very long rolled up scroll which serves as his primary source of "knowledge" that is kept in a Holey Place where one would expect a suppository....

Though I will say that even though he certainly made the assertion with nothing to back it up and no idea about the number, in his use of the vague term "millions" rube appears to be covering himself...

"Millions" could be as few as two million, and given the fact that there are currently estimated to be about 2 billion Christians worldwide, he could wind up being technically correct in spite of himself, but still talking about an insignificant percentage...

So instead of being wrong, it's possible he's just being grossly misleading...(something else he's fond of)

Second, his assertion that the belief that the earth is 6,000 years old is a "conspiracy" belief shows that we can add yet another word to the list of common words and phrases, (like "wealth") that rube simply does not know the meaning of.

Believing that the earth is 6,000 years old is a "foolish theory", but it is not a "conspiracy theory". ..

Full Definition of CONSPIRACY THEORY

: a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators

Examples of CONSPIRACY THEORY

Conspiracy theories sprung up soon after the leader's assassination.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... y%20theory

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:35 pm**

Come on now Jim, it could be a conspiracy theory; scientists of the world, in league with satan, are covering up the true age of the earth (and other religious "truths") to lead people away from the true path god wants us to file; which is why people reject god. You think people deluded enough to believe that the earth is only 6000 years old wouldn't believe that as well?

It's not a conspiracy in the sense of saying things like the government orchestrated the 9/11 attacks in order to ..., but it is a conspiracy (in the minds of the adherents) of those in "authority" trying to make their beliefs seem stupid. And a lot of conspiracy theories start exactly that way, usually prefaced with a phrase like "That's what they want you to believe".

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:37 pm**

would you really be surprised that the number Christians buying the 6000 year old earth numbers in the millions as well (especially if we are looking worldwide

Yeah Big RR, as I pointed out in my follow-up post, (I was typing it while your your post came up.) intuitively, I'm inclined to agree with that. With 2 billion Christians world wide, it really wouldn't be surprising to learn that "millions" of them could believe that. (While the overall percentage was still very tiny.)

However, I am also quite certain that when rube wrote his post, he had absolutely no idea what the number was and if his vague claim turns out not to be wrong, then he has managed to avoid being wrong sheerly by accident, (which is the way he usually avoids being wrong, on those rare occasions when he manages to avoid being wrong) and not as a result of any actual knowledge or scholarship about the topic.

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:49 pm**

scientists of the world, in league with satan, are covering up the true age of the earth (and other religious "truths") to lead people away from the true path god wants us to file; which is why people reject god. You think people deluded enough to believe that the earth is only 6000 years old wouldn't believe that as well?

But Big RR, that's not what he said....

You're theorizing about an additional belief, "scientists of the world, in league with satan, are covering up the true age of the earth..." that certainly would constitute a "conspiracy theory"....

But that theory you've posited is not present in rube's post. Here again is what he said:

Conspiracy idiots abound; Millions of Christians still say that the earth is 6,000 years old and sweep away all evidence to the contrary.

Rube is clearly saying that the belief that the earth is 6,000 years old is in and of itself a conspiracy belief. Which clearly demonstrates an ignorance about the meaning of the term. First he says "Conspiracy idiots abound" and then as an example of this, he provides "Millions of Christians still say that the earth is 6,000 years old". There's nothing else there about any additional beliefs required to meet his definition.

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:14 pm**

Perhaps Meade, but I've heard some of these people speak, and that position is usually part of their beliefs (usually stated as why they don't consider the scientific evidence to be reliable. Indeed, to many of these folk, any challenge to their beliefs is seen as a conspiracy between the devil and the persons making the challenge to lead them astray; I've been told a couple of times myself that the devil is controlling me in discussions. Many of them see the world as a constant struggle between god and satan, and claim that the devil uses people to carry out his nefarious plans. So to them, any challenge to their beliefs is part of a satanic conspiracy (and before we parse the word "conspiracy" too much, it's my understanding that to many of these orthodox fundamentalists (or what ever you want to call them) you either fight the devil or give in and cooperate, which is IMHO, a conspiracy).

But you are right, belief that the world is only 6000 years old does not, in and of itself claim any conspiracy.

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:24 pm**

Perhaps Meade,...

Well, you've mistaken me for Gen'l Meade, but as I do not take that as a deep affront*, (unlike Dave's unforgivable faux pas of mistaking me for rubato) I shall not be challenging you to a duel....

*unless of course the topic is Cricket or Leonard Cohen...

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:38 pm**

Well, for the slight affront, I apologize. And lest he be also offended, I apologize to Meade as well.

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:44 pm**

I must admit I've learned a couple interesting things in this thread.

First of all, until today I was not aware of the existence of the RGSOK that Jim referred to, which explains a lot of statistics and graphs that I've had trouble comprehending.

Secondly, I learned that BigRR is actually capable of misinterpreting what someone else wrote, although I attribute that to the likelihood that he believed that what he had read was written by someone who meant something that he didn't write.

Finally, I learned that at least one person in the world has concluded that the belief that the earth is 6,000 years old is a conspiracy theory.

That's why I keep coming here. It's a veritable plethora of valuable knowledge that enlightens me daily.

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:02 pm**

Group hug

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:31 pm**

Well Big RR, I'll overlook the insult. You decide if it was to LJ or to me!

Very good points all - but I still want a graph from rubato proving the claim of "millions". Some fruitcakes - yes, definitely. But millions of fruitcakes? Perhaps but I'd like them identified - with bells if possible

Wouldn't want to get bitten by one of those

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