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Cornish racism

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:32 pm
by Gob
A surfer who was racially abused by a stand-up paddle boarder and told to ‘f*** off back to England’ has described the tirade of verbal abuse he received as ‘disgusting’.



Longboarder Phil Brown, 29, caught the astonishing incident on camera which saw him subjected to the abuse after he accidentally caught the same wave as the stand-up paddle (SUP) boarder.

The footage shows the SUP rider, who had a Saint Piran's Flag – the flag of Cornwall – sticker stuck to the front of his board, launch a number of expletives at Mr Brown during the surf session on Saturday.

In the video the SUP boarder can be heard shouting: ‘You drop in on me like that again and you won’t f*****g surf here again. It’s my wave, keep your f*****g eyes open.’

To which Mr Brown, of Bude, Cornwall, can be heard responding: ‘There’s no need to swear.’

However, the unknown SUP boarder then shouts: ‘Don’t tell me not to f*****g swear – you nearly caused me an accident then.

‘I was on the wave. Don’t do it again. Do it again and I will put you in f*****g hospital and that’s a promise.

Don’t act like a t**t in the water.’

However, despite Mr Brown apologising, the man continues to hurl abuse and exclaims: ‘F*** off back to England you ****.’

Despite Mr Brown pointing out that he is in fact from Cornwall, the man – who appears to have a strong Liverpudlian accent - responds: ‘I was born here’.

Mr Brown can then be heard telling the man it ‘gives him no more right’ but is met by a response of ‘f*** off’ by the SUP rider who then paddles off.

The incident, which occurred off Summerleaze Beach in Bude, Cornwall, has left Mr Brown ‘wary of going back into the water’.

He said: ‘I think he’s bang out of order for the way he spoke to me and the localism he used as well.

‘It’s inappropriate - it shouldn’t be used in any way, shape or form.

‘I’ve heard he’s quite renowned for saying these kinds of things to other people in the water. I’ve heard of at least a handful of people saying the same thing has happened to them.

‘It’s disgusting and it’s just not right.

‘It’s the same as racism. It’s exactly the same thing just in a different manner.

‘I am a bit wary to get back in the water now to be honest. I think I’ll go to a different beach now to avoid him.’

The former Army serviceman and keen surfer added: ‘I was quite shocked. Everyone in Cornwall is pretty laid back – you don’t get that kind of thing usually so to receive that from him was one hell of a shock.

‘I told him I’m from Cornwall but he comes across as if it is his water and almost as if he classes me as a holidaymaker.

‘It shouldn’t make any difference where I’m from - it’s the same water.’

Mr Brown, who served eight years in the Army working in The Queen's Royal Hussars on a battle tank Challenger Two – and was deployed to Afghanistan – said other locals have also been left shocked by the incident.

He said: ‘They all think it’s disgusting the way he was talking to me. There’s no real reason for anyone to talk to anyone else like that.

‘It made me feel horrible and I didn’t appreciate the way he was talking to me.

‘I’ve had suggestions that I should go to the police about it but I don’t really want to go down the formal line.

‘I’m not spiteful and I don’t wish the guy harm, I just want him to know I’m unhappy and I want an apology.’

Mr Brown also said he was left confused by the man’s comment telling him to ‘f*** off back to England’ and said there was no need for localism.

He said: ‘I don’t know if he’s from Cornwall - he has a broad Liverpuddlian accent - but he said at the time “I was born here”.

‘I don’t know what his views are but I certainly don’t think of Cornwall is its own country or anything like that.

‘I know there’s some good old rivalry between Devon and Cornwall but that’s just banter.


It’s unclear what the SUP boarder meant by his racist comment but it appears he holds the view that Cornwall is a separate entity to England and that it should be classed as a different country.

Despite his strong northern accent, the black and white Saint Piran’s flag can be seen stuck to the front of his paddle board which is used by some Cornish people as a symbol of identity.

The view that Cornwall is separate from the rest of England is a view which is long-held by several people from the county, who regard the ‘Kernow’ as distinctly separate from the rest of the British Isles.

A minority believe the Cornish should be considered a separate race or nation, with their own language, society and customs which is distinct from the neighbouring mainland.

Mr Brown, who now manages a brewery in the county, said the whole incident was an accident on his part and said he just wants an apology from the SUP boarder


Re: Cornish racism

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:26 am
by rubato
A good surf break is a limited resource with more people who want to use it than can. Because surfing has been so popular for so long the W. Coast surf culture has invented its own way of enforcing a rationing system based on skill and degree of personal connection to that spot aka "localitis ". It is fairly interesting how it has evolved and how it is, for the most part, supported by surfers of different levels of skill. I had a carpool partner who was a blonde longboard surfer, intermediate in skill, and she was very clear that her skill level only got her the 'right' to certain local breaks and not others. She supported the system and accepted it. You have to earn the right to surf in certain places by demonstrating that you have the skill to make use of it and not be dangerous to others.


This just looks like a pissing contest between two people so I doubt if its the same thing. But it reminded me of it.


yrs,
rubato

Re: Cornish racism

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:29 pm
by Sue U
It’s unclear what the SUP boarder meant by his racist comment but it appears he holds the view that Cornwall is a separate entity to England and that it should be classed as a different country.
Even if this guy were a Cornish separatist/nationalist, separatism and nationalism aren't racism. Conflating them serves only to trivialize actual racism, which is the Daily Fail's bread and butter.

Re: Cornish racism

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:53 pm
by Lord Jim
It isn't "racism"; and it isn't a "pissing contest", (to be a "contest" both people need to be pissing)

It's just the case of a jerk behaving like a bullying asshole ...

Something that is apparently a hobby for the particular jerk...

Re: Cornish racism

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:47 pm
by Gob
‘F*** off back to England you ****.
‘F*** off back to Africa you ****.

‘F*** off back to China you ****.

He is attacking a person on the grounds of their perceived ethnicity, then it is racism. Cornish nationalists believe that the Cornish are a Celtic race, and that the English are an Anglo Saxon race. Whether you believe that to be so or not is irrelevant, the comment was still racist.

Re: Cornish racism

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:51 pm
by rubato
No. Not even close.


The traditional rivalries between Sweden and Norway are not 'racist' for the same reason. There may be cultural conflicts and rivalries but not any based on genetic identity. And the only cultural differences are very minor. Like hearing Brobdingnag and Lilliput call each other names.


yrs,
rubato

Re: Cornish racism

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:57 pm
by Gob
Thanks for proving me right. :lol:

If the Cornish nationalists believe they are a different gene stock (i.e. Celtic,) to the English (i.e. Anglo Saxon, ) that makes them racists for using it to attack, (i.e. "fuck off back to England you cunt".)