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Based on what I've seen, I think the percentage for men is too high....
93% of women wash their hands vs. 77% of men

By Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY
Maybe all those public service announcements about the bird flu helped. An observational study done last month found that 85% of adults washed their hands in public restrooms, the highest number since the studies began in 1996.

But it's a far cry from the 96% of adults who say they always wash their hands in public restrooms, based on a separate telephone survey conducted at the same time.

Men do a lot worse than women overall — just 77% scrubbed up, compared with 93% of women. But both numbers are up. The last time the survey was done, in 2007, only 66% of men washed, and 88% of women.

The study was sponsored by the American Society for Microbiology and the American Cleaning Institute (formerly the Soap and Detergent Association). It involved discreetly observing 6,028 adults in public restrooms in August to see whether they washed their hands.

Researchers staked out six locations in four cities: Atlanta (Turner Field), Chicago (Museum of Science and Industry, Shedd Aquarium), New York (Grand Central Terminal, Penn Station), and San Francisco (Ferry Terminal Farmers Market). The results were announced at the Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy.

"We are really pleased to see these results, which suggest that our campaign is being effective," Judy Daly, director of clinical microbiology at Children's Primary Medical Center in Salt Lake City, said in a release.

"Our first observational study in 1996 found only 68% overall washing up in public restrooms, and that declined to an all-time low of 67% when we repeated the study in 2000. We hope that as a result of an increased focus on hand washing in the media over these years, as well as increased public awareness of infectious disease risks, behavior really is changing."

San Francisco and Chicago took first place in bathroom cleanliness, with 89% of adults soaping up. Next came Atlanta with 82% and New York with 79%.

Hand washing is important especially because "we now know that many respiratory and gastrointestinal illnesses are transmitted primarily by hand contact when contaminated hands touch the mucous membranes of the eyes, nose or mouth," Daly says.
It involved discreetly observing 6,028 adults in public restrooms in August to see whether they washed their hands.
Now that's a job I believe I would have turned down, no matter how hard up I was for money....

Hanging around in a men's room for hours (in addition to being an intrinsically unpleasant experience) sounds like a good way to get arrested.... :P
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Anything in the name of science, I say!

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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I think you are right about the number of men washing their hands being too high.

Men on average just seem to be filthy bastards. Ever notice the average man's fingernails? I wonder; do they really eat with those hands? Hold their babies? Make love to their partners? Nasty!

Personally? Even as a tradesman at the end of the day my fingernails are trimmed and groomed like a dentist'.

I will avoid using a public restroom if possible; but I always wash my hands even if they are out of paper towels. And I refuse to use the first 2 feet of TP or flush with my hands preferring to use my foot. :shrug :lol:
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You use the toilet paper with your foot? You must be a hell of a contortionist.

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:lol:

Yeah...it conjures up a very amusing mental image...

When I think about it, I've noticed a pronounced difference in the likelihood of others washing their hands based on the venue....

I probably see the highest percentage of men washing their hands at restaurant bathrooms. (Which I guess makes sense)

But it's very rare in my experience at the grocery store or in a shopping mall. And a bar? Fugetaboutit.....
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Big RR wrote:You use the toilet paper with your foot? You must be a hell of a contortionist.
Either you were trying to be funny and forgot the corresponding emoticon; or I would say that you must be a hell of a literalist. :P :nana
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Lord Jim wrote:And a bar? Fugetaboutit.....
Which is far from the only problem with restrooms in bars. Long ago, I was drinking with some friends at a bar in San Francisco. Mr. Mike came back from the restroom and observed: "You've gotta be Moses to use that thing."
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Reminds me of an exchange I was once privy (scuse pun) to.

"I was raised to wash my hands after visiting the toilet"

"I was raised not to piss on mine in the first place."


Edited to add; the above discussion reminds me why I never eat the free peanuts in a bar.
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I think that a lot of this has to do with the belief among many men that merely urinating does not require them to wash their hands, because (they falsely believe) their hands have not come into contact with any urine. It does not seem to me to be an accident that urinals generally are not equipped with toilet paper. (Which they should be; if nothing else, depositing the last bit of urine into one's clothing doesn't seem like a masterpiece of cleanliness either, although it doesn't contribute so much to the spread of diseases and whatnot.) I wonder what the results would be of a comparison between the percentages of men and women who wash their hands after using actual toilets.

Still and all, in the big picture, how big a problem is this really? Sure, coming into contact with someone else's wastes is disgusting, and for good reason. But personally, I'm much more concerned about dying from a disease caused by a bacterium which is resistant to antibiotics because ignorant fucks demand antibiotics too much and don't use them properly when they get them than I am about getting ill because buried somewhere in my burrito is a drop of piss.
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The world is my urinal.

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If your urine has any nasties, you have a much bigger problem that washing your hands is not going to fix. Specifically, you have a bladder infection. Usually the pain is enough to make that condition known to you.

Washroom cleanliness is necessary for those jobs that involve e-coli, or number 2.

Frankly. The fewer things I have to touch in a public washroom, the better. So there you are with a hint of germ free urine on your hands and you think the taps are clean? Someone who did a #2 touched those before he washed his hands.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhLvQwB3f98
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I saw these being advertised here with the hard sell line of "You don't know what was left on the taps in your barthroom!"

Sadly I like to think after I wash my hands the soap has removed any nasties and the water left will leave me enough time to wipe off with a towl so I am nasties free
As far as public tolet go if there is no paper towl I will wash but use my shirt or closest child to dry hands on. If no soap your probbily better off not washing at all because of what is left on the taps.

I do think the sanitising thing is getting out of hand when mothers now use dettol waterles hand wash on children as they play in the park. Don't touch the swing till I have wiped it down, Don't go on the slide it isn't clean yet, before you touch that I have to make is safe.

Wonder what sort amune system these kids are developing

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No wait, I thought urine was sterile?

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Urine is sterile when it leaves the body. It doesn't take long for it to start braking down once exposed to the air.

It can be used as a anti fungal wash. In WW1 it was in the Infantry field book to prevent or help cure Trench foot you should urinate on your feet. Then rince off with clean water

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You're scewed once you touch the door handle anyway
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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The rule of thumb in survival training is you can drink your urin as long as it is still warm, you know fresh from the tap as it were. :ok
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Okay, I have now officially read too far into this thread.
GAH!

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The Carnival cruise I recently went on addressed this issue aggressively, in a way. Every public bathroom had a wipes dispenser on the back of the door, so that after washing/drying, you could grasp the exit handle with a wipe instead of with bare, clean hands - in case the people before you hadn't washed.

There were also large, floor-mounted hand sanitizer pumps available in close proximity to the start of every buffet line - addressing the notorious outbreaks of rotavirus on cruise ships in recent years.

Despite being OCD about handwashing, etc., I still ended up with something - though it could have been from that one margarita on the rocks I drank in Puerta Vallarta. (The tour guide assured us that the high-end resort we had stopped at had filtered water. Uh huh, sure it did.)
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Every public bathroom had a wipes dispenser on the back of the door, so that after washing/drying, you could grasp the exit handle with a wipe instead of with bare, clean hands - in case the people before you hadn't washed.
I wish more public restrooms would do this; I'd bet my hands are cleaner after I use the toilet (and before i wash) than many people's are after they wash. there are plenty of pigs out there, and grabbing the door knob/bar after them just contaminates your hands all over again.

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This whole having to use the faucets (sans electronic sensor) and having to grab the door handle to exit the bathroom is an excellent point. Which is why I will use the towels I dry with to turn off faucets and open the door and then make a basket from there or carry it to the next nearest receptacle. If they only have air driers I will use a handkerchief. Not perfect but a lot better than grabbing a door handle that was used by someone that just wiped their ass and not washed. Hand sanitizer or moist towelettes like you get when you eat lobster or ribs is also a good idea.
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