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Another 'No Corner In Hell Hot Enough' Story

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Judge denies bond to toddler’s dad

By Alexis Stevens
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Fifteen days after a Cobb County father left his 22-month-old son inside an SUV for hours, testimony inside a packed courtroom Thursday revealed startling new details in the investigation of the child’s death.

Some in the courtroom were visibly shaken to hear contradictory portrayals of the man who said he accidentally left his son in his car seat for seven hours. And though some testimony hinted at the possibility of additional charges in the case, the father’s attorney questioned evidence against his client.

When the three-hour probable cause hearing ended, Justin Ross Harris was denied bond and returned to jail. His wife, holding back tears, was surrounded by family members and friends as she left the courtroom, avoiding any questions.

Magistrate Judge Frank Cox mentioned the possibility of a death-penalty case for the man accused of killing young Cooper on June 18.

It was the testimony from a Cobb County police detective that offered the most new information on the toddler’s last day, as well as his father’s character.

While his 22-month-old son was in his car seat in the backseat of his family’s SUV, a Cobb County father was allegedly sexting underage girls and went to lunch with two college friends, according to testimony Thursday afternoon. Harris told police he accidentally left his son in the SUV while he worked and only realized the boy was in the backseat in the minutes after leaving work, shortly after 4 p.m.

By the time Harris realized his son was still in his car seat, Cooper had likely been dead more than four hours, Detective Phil Stoddard testified. Investigators later determined Harris and his wife were having marital troubles.

Maddox Kilgore, attorney for Harris, argued that there was no evidence that the father intentionally left his young son in the family’s SUV for seven hours, and the arrest warrant should be dismissed.

“It’s not even criminal negligence enough to support a misdemeanor,” Kilgore told the court.

Two longtime friends of Harris both testified that nothing seemed out of the ordinary while they were with him on the day the toddler died. [Yeah, narcissistic sociopaths are good at that.] One friend, Alex Hall, testified he drove the three to get lunch and run an errand before dropping Harris off at his SUV, still parked at work.

Harris’ half-brother, Randy Michael Baygents, a police officer for nearly two decades, testified that Harris had solid ties to the community and should be released on bond.

“He’s a loving father,” he said. “He loved his son very much. He’s a good dad.”

In cross examination, the prosecutor told Baygents that his brother had been sexting underage girls.

“In law enforcement, we sometimes find out that people we know we really don’t know?” he said.

“Sometimes,” Baygents replied.

Kilgore told the court the child’s death was an accident and that charges should be dropped.

“An accident doesn’t become a crime because the results are catastrophic,” Kilgore said.

But Judge Frank Cox disagreed, ruling there was probable cause to hold Harris at the Cobb County jail and denied him bond.

According to Stoddard’s testimony, Harris watched videos on the Internet about deaths in hot cars five days before Cooper’s death. Stoddard testified for more than an hour, providing new details about the day Cooper died, as well as Harris’ personal life.

On the morning of the toddler’s death, Harris and his son ate breakfast at a Vinings Chick-fil-A, where Cooper was seen alert and happy, according to testimony. It was Harris’ normal routine to take his son to the daycare center at the Home Depot corporate headquarters, according to police. But after breakfast June 18, Harris drove instead to his office, located about a half-mile away from the restaurant.[So he wants people to believe that in a drive of less than two minutes, he forgot the kid was there? :loon ]

Later the same day, Harris texted his wife, Leanna, to ask when she would be picking up “his buddy” from daycare. Leanna went to the daycare center that afternoon, but was told by daycare staff that Cooper had never been dropped off that morning, Stoddard said.

“Ross must’ve left him in the car,” Leanna Harris said in front of witnesses at the daycare, according to Stoddard
.[But apparently she made no effort to contact her husband]

Meanwhile, Ross Harris had left work and driven about five minutes when he said he realized his son was in the backseat, arrest warrants state. He drove into the parking lot of an Akers Mills Road shopping center, got Cooper out of the car and attempted to revive him. Harris didn’t call 911, Stoddard said. But instead, a witness at the scene did.

Leanna Harris was questioned, along with her husband, by investigators the evening of Cooper’s death. No charges were filed against her.[yet]

After learning of her son’s death, Leanna Harris showed no real emotion, Stoddard testified. Witnesses have said that Ross Harris was very upset after pulling into the parking lot. But some witness’ accounts differ, Stoddard said.

Harris didn’t tell police while being questioned that he left work for lunch, a detective testified. But investigators reviewed surveillance video from the Home Depot satellite office, where Harris worked, Stoddard testified.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/detective- ... ife/ngYgf/

I watched a little of the preliminary hearing on Thursday. A few things this article leaves out:

In addition to sending pictures of his "erect penis" to underage girls, he also spent some time perusing a web forum devoted to discussions about "the child-free lifestyle" while his 22 month old son was baking to death...

The distance between where the child was and the back of where the drivers seat was located was about six inches...

The day care center sent him an email asking about his son, and that apparently didn't jog his memory about the kid being in the car. (Maybe he was too busy sending penis pictures to read his email)

The detective who responded to the scene testified the smell from the SUV was overwhelming, which makes the "I got in the car and drove for five minutes before I noticed the kid" scenario extremely unlikely (it looks to me like he was probably spending that time making sure the kid was dead)

And there's this strange comment from the wife:
Later Leanna met Ross Harris at the police department.

“She had him set down and he started going through this and she looks at him and said, “Did you say too much?” Stoddard said.
From another article:
“During the interview Harris stated that leaving his son in a hot car was his biggest fear,” the search warrants state. “According to Harris he recently viewed a television show concerning child deaths in cars.”

Leanna Harris was also questioned by police and made similar statements.

“During the interview with Leanna she also made a similar statement that this was her worst fear,” search warrants state. “Investigators questioned her further about this. Leanna stated specifically that her fear was that her child would be left in a hot vehicle, not the fear of losing a child.”
He also had done recent searches on stories about kids who die left in cars...

So this is your "biggest fear", you've been watching shows and reading articles about it, and yet you manage to forget your kid, sitting six inches away from you, in the space of less than a two minute drive?

It seems pretty obvious to me that this part of the story, (also repeated by the wife) was cooked up to try to provide cover for their interest in the topic...

Though she's had a lot of strange comments and behavior (she also said some strange things at the eulogy, and was adamantly defending her husband, at least up until recently) the wife hasn't been indicted yet, and maybe it will turn out that she's just an idiot. (I'm in fact hoping that's what the truth turns out to be; for both a father and a mother to have been involved in such diabolical evil is really more than I want to believe)
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Re: Another 'No Corner In Hell Hot Enough' Story

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There are many cases of children dying by hyperthermia after being left in a vehicle every year; around 40/yr. in the US since 1998.

Many of these cases are true tragedies, accidents cause by the overworked minds of frazzled parents going into automaton mode. It seems incomprehensible to many of us that a parent could forget a child in such a manner - but I've read a lot about these cases and I do believe that the vast majority are innocent and tragic accidents that cause great anguish to the responsible parent.

When I was reading about the cases a year or so ago, it was in part to get a sense of the differential treatment of the justice system in dealing with these cases; in some jurisdictions criminal charges aren't brought at all, while in others fairly serious criminal charges come into play - sometimes the difference seems to be factors of the parent's lifestyle, sometimes it just seems to be a matter of how compassionate (or not) the prosecutor is in the jurisdiction.

In any case, this particular case does seem pretty hinky, at least based on what's been reported thus far. I've learned to be skeptical in first hearing the case as presented by law enforcement (and I don't take into account the sexting whatsoever, as that kind of behavior is apparently all too common among otherwise decent men), but the internet searches on 'child-free' living, 'how to survive in prison', and how long it takes for a dog to die in a hot car . . . create a decent-sized hill of circumstantial evidence.

I also tend not to take into account law enforcement or media commentary on the grief, or lack thereof, displayed by an alleged suspect. Everybody grieves differently and I have known absolutely innocent people to not express the kind of emotion that Nancy Grace would demand of them as 'normal'.

The factual thing that stands out most to me, however, is that he got into the car and drove any distance at all before 'discovering' his son was dead in the car. That little boy would have died in the first few hours in the car, and during the afternoon his body would have been rapidly decomposing in the heat. 92 degrees outside translates to 110-115 degrees inside a vehicle; doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out what happens . . . the stench should have been overpowering the minute he opened the door after leaving his office at the end of the workday.

Poor little boy. :(
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The factual thing that stands out most to me, however, is that he got into the car and drove any distance at all before 'discovering' his son was dead in the car. That little boy would have died in the first few hours in the car, and during the afternoon his body would have been rapidly decomposing in the heat. 92 degrees outside translates to 110-115 degrees inside a vehicle; doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out what happens . . .
Plus a dirty diaper that had been incubating for hours in that heat...

But the factual thing that stands out most to me is the fact that the drive from where he had just had breakfast with his son, and then secured him in his car seat, (which as a veteran of securing kids in car seats I can tell you commands your attention and takes a bit of doing) was half a mile...

Less than two minutes...(about the same distance and drive time as my driving from our house to The Lakeshore Shopping Center...)

In that brief window of time, how do you forget that you've got your kid in the car? No matter how scatter brained, frazzled or distracted you may be?

If it had been a situation where he left the house in a rush, maybe he'd had an argument with his wife, or he was worried about something at work, and normally he dropped the kid off at day care on his way in the course of a 30 minute commute, and under those kinds of circumstances he forgot that his kid was still in the car, maybe that would be believable...(not excusable, but at least believable)

But in less than two minutes?

That just doesn't seem even remotely plausible to me...
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Yeah, it doesn't look good. Who has a life insurance policy on a child, anyway? $2000 or so, for funeral costs, I guess . . . but $25k?
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I can't read about this, it nauseates me so.

I do know frazzled parents do stupid things - but none of the fuzzy-brained ones I've seen have come close to murdering and torturing their kid.
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Another interesting point about that insurance policy:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

While in jail accused of killing his 22-month-old, Ross Harris told family members how to collect the $27,000 life insurance policies on the boy, search warrants released Friday state.

“Through the investigation Harris has made comments to family members regarding a life insurance policy that he has on Cooper and what they need to do in order to file for it,” according to documents obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
So apparently not only had he taken out a 25K insurance policy on his son, he had been looking into what would be involved to file a claim for it...
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