Take a nine year old to a shooting range, get an instructor to teach her how to use an Uzi? Not what I call "holiday fun"...
Dolan Springs, Arizona: An instructor at a shooting range in Arizona has died after a nine-year-old girl accidentally shot him in the head with an Uzi sub-machinegun he was showing her how to use, the Mohave County Sheriff's Office said.
Charles Vacca, 39, was shot on Monday morning, flown to a medical centre in Las Vegas and pronounced dead shortly before 9pm, the sheriff's office said.
Mr Vacca was working at the Bullets and Burgers outdoor range in White Hills, about 100 kilometres south-east of Las Vegas, when the accident occurred.
The girl and her parents were at the range while on holiday, a sheriff's spokeswoman told the Los Angeles Times.
He was standing next to the girl, instructing her how to use the Uzi, when she pulled the gun's trigger and the recoil sent the weapon over her head, causing him to be shot, the sheriff's office said.
"This is a rarity for something like this to happen," the spokeswoman said.
A video released by the sheriff's office on Tuesday afternoon shows nearly half a minute of the shooting lesson.
Mr Vacca, dressed in a dark shirt and camouflage pants, speaks to a slim girl with earmuffs, braided hair and bright pink shorts.
"We have to keep that held in," he says, showing her the Uzi in his hands. "Otherwise the gun won't fire, OK?"
He gives her the weapon and helps her adjust her arms and her stance - "just like that" - and, at his instruction, the girl shoots once at a target. Her shot lands slightly to its left.
"All right!" Mr Vacca cheers.
As he gives further directions, a quick sequence of shots can be heard, and the gun begins tilting up. The video clip ends before he is struck.
In 2008, eight-year-old Christopher Bizilj died in a similar accident at a gun expo in Massachusetts.
The boy was firing an Uzi at a pumpkin when the recoil caused him to lose control of the weapon, and he fatally shot himself in the head.
Ronald Scott, a firearms safety expert, said most shooting ranges had an age limit and strict safety rules when children were being taught to shoot.
He said instructors usually had their hands on guns when children were firing high-powered weapons.
"You can't give a nine-year-old an Uzi and expect her to control it," he said.
wow. teaching kids about gun safety used to begin with toy guns, then plastic projectiles. next a BB gun. then a .22 and .410
handing a novice an automatic weapon is just nuts.
I won t waste time criticizing the instructor, its too late for him to change his ways.
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:32 pm
by Lord Jim
That poor kid...imagine how she must feel...
I see a lot of therapy in her future...
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:36 pm
by Joe Guy
Anyone who thinks it was okay to put an uzi in a 9 yr old's hands should be shot...
err...
nevermind.
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:39 pm
by Gob
The shooting of an Arizona gun instructor by an nine-year-old American girl is the latest in a series of fatalities following a gun falling into the hands of a youngster in the US.
Research by two campaign groups - “Everytown for gun safety” and “Moms demand action” - has revealed that around two children a week die in accidents involving firearms.
The groups analysed reports of gun deaths around the country following the Sandy Hook massacre.
They discovered that at least 100 children were killed in accidental shootings between December 2012 and December 2013.
The shooting of an Arizona gun instructor by an nine-year-old American girl is the latest in a series of fatalities following a gun falling into the hands of a youngster in the US.
I don't think "falling into the hands" is the right way to describe this particular case...
This wasn't a tragedy that occurred as a result of unplanned, negligent stupidity; a situation where a child picks up a loaded firearm that was left lying around, for example...
No, this was a tragedy that occurred as a result of planned, intentional stupidity....(ie having a nine year old girl firing an Uzi in full automatic mode. )
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:58 am
by oldr_n_wsr
I wonder if this family had any kind gun training at all. Or was this just first timer thinking that shooting guns is like going to the ammusement park. I have shot many a gun in my life be but never a fully automatic. I would be apprehensive especially with an uzi which has a very short barrel and little to no recoil damapening on it along with no stock to place into your shoulder.
Stupidity all around.
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:34 pm
by Big RR
No, this was a tragedy that occurred as a result of planned, intentional stupidity....(ie having a nine year old girl firing an Uzi in full automatic mode. )
Actually, as I recall the Uzi rifle only fires in full automatic mode (especially on the part of the instructor who should definitely know better), so planned intentional stupidity makes even moresense.
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:51 pm
by Guinevere
Apparently the gun range has said they'd allow other 9-year-olds to continue to shoot Uzis. But I cannot find where I read that bit, so . . . .
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:21 pm
by Big RR
Apparently the gun range has said they'd allow other 9-year-olds to continue to shoot Uzis. But I cannot find where I read that bit, so . . . .
Well, I guess they save on employee pension plans.
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:45 pm
by Lord Jim
Actually, as I recall the Uzi rifle only fires in full automatic mode
No, that doesn't appear to be the case. If you watch the video, you can see that she first fires a shot in single shot mode, (she handled the recoil for that with no problem; it doesn't look like more than the recoil of a .22) after she takes that shot, the instructor then changes the setting to full automatic, and you can see the weapon lurch up out of her control as soon as she squeezes the trigger.
WASHINGTON -- Less than two days after a 9-year-old girl in Arizona accidentally shot and killed a gun range instructor who was showing her how to fire an Uzi, the National Rifle Association on Wednesday touted new ways for children to "have fun" at shooting ranges.
The nation's largest gun lobby posted a tweet Wednesday afternoon to its NRA Women account that read "7 Ways Children Can Have Fun at the Shooting Range." The tweet included a link to an article with the same title published on the website of Women's Outdoor News. A little over an hour after posting it, NRA Women deleted the tweet without explanation.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot . . . which I suppose is better than being shot in the head by a kid
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:03 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
In themovie True Lies Jamie Lee Curtis shows what happens when a person sho does not know how to properly handle an automatic weapon. Of course in the movie, only the bad guys get killed. Real life is different.
Doesn't the M16 have a three position trigger. Singel shot, 3 shot burst, thenfully automatic? Guess the uzi does not have that option.
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:27 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Playing with guns is not like stopping off at Coney Island and riding the Cyclone.
Gun tourism grows in popularity in recent years
LAS VEGAS (AP) — The death of an Arizona firearms instructor by a 9-year-old girl who was firing a fully automatic Uzi displayed a tragic side of what has become a hot industry in the U.S.: gun tourism.
With gun laws keeping high-powered weapons out of reach for most people — especially those outside the U.S. — indoor shooting ranges with high-powered weapons have become a popular attraction.
Tourists from Japan flock to ranges in Waikiki, Hawaii, and the dozen or so that have cropped up in Las Vegas offer bullet-riddled bachelor parties and literal shotgun weddings, where newly married couples can fire submachine gun rounds and pose with Uzis and ammo belts.
"People just want to experience things they can't experience elsewhere," said Genghis Cohen, owner of Machine Guns Vegas. "There's not an action movie in the past 30 years without a machine gun."
The accidental shooting death of the firing-range instructor in Arizona set off a powerful debate over youngsters and guns, with many people wondering what sort of parents would let a child handle a submachine gun.
Instructor Charles Vacca, 39, was standing next to the girl Monday at the Last Stop range in White Hills, Arizona, about 60 miles south of Las Vegas, when she squeezed the trigger. The recoil wrenched the Uzi upward, and Vacca was shot in the head.
Prosecutors say they will not file charges in the case. The identities of the girl and her family have not been released.
The dusty outdoor range calls itself the Bullets and Burgers Adventure and touts its "Desert Storm atmosphere."
Similar attractions have been around since the 1980s in Las Vegas, although the city has experienced a boom of such businesses in the past few years. Excitement over guns tends to spike when there's fear of tighter gun restrictions, according to Dan Sessions, general manager of Discount Firearms and Ammo, which houses the Vegas Machine Gun Experience.
There's also the prohibitive cost of owning an automatic weapon — an M5 might go for $25,000, while a chance to gun down zombie targets with an AR-15 and three other weapons costs less than $200.
"It's an opportunity that people may not come across again in their lifetime," Sessions said.
Tourists from Australia, Europe or Asia, where civilians are barred from many types of guns, long to indulge in the quintessentially American right to bear arms.
"People have a fascination with guns," said Cohen, who is from New Zealand and estimates about 90 percent of his customers are tourists. "They see guns as a big part of American culture, and they want to experience American culture."
The businesses cast a lighthearted spin on their shooting experiences, staging weddings in their ranges and selling souvenir T-shirts full of bullet holes.
But behind the bravado, owners acknowledge they are one errant movement away from tragedy. Cohen's business, for example, is installing a tethering system that will prevent machine guns from riding upward after firing — the same motion that killed the gun instructor this week.
"Guns are designed to cause damage, and if they're mishandled, they'll do exactly that," said Bob Irwin, owner of The Gun Store, the original Las Vegas machine gun attraction. "They have to be respected."
Sam Scarmardo, who operates the outdoor range in Arizona where the instructor was killed, said Wednesday that the parents had signed waivers saying they understood the rules and were standing nearby, video-recording their daughter, when the accident happened.
"I have regret we let this child shoot, and I have regret that Charlie was killed in the incident," Scarmardo said. He said he doesn't know what went wrong, pointing out that Vacca was an Army veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Jace Zack, chief deputy for the Mohave County Attorney's Office, said the instructor was probably the most criminally negligent person involved in the accident for having allowed the child to hold the gun without enough training.
"The parents aren't culpable," Zack said. "They trusted the instructor to know what he was doing, and the girl could not possibly have comprehended the potential dangers involved."
Still, the accident has raised questions about whether children that young should be handling such powerful weapons.
"We have better safety standards for who gets to ride a roller coaster at an amusement park," said Gerry Hills, founder of Arizonans for Gun Safety, a group seeking to reduce gun violence. Referring to the girl's parents, Hills said: "I just don't see any reason in the world why you would allow a 9-year-old to put her hands on an Uzi."
In 2008, an 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head with an Uzi at a gun expo near Springfield, Massachusetts. Christopher Bizilj was firing at pumpkins when the gun kicked back. A former Massachusetts police chief whose company co-sponsored the gun show was later acquitted of involuntary manslaughter.
Dave Workman, senior editor at thegunmag.com and a spokesman for the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, said it can be safe to let children shoot an automatic weapon if a properly trained adult is helping them hold it.
After viewing the video of the Arizona shooting, Workman said Vacca appeared to have tried to help the girl maintain control by placing his left hand under the weapon. But automatic weapons tend to recoil upward, he noted.
"If it was the first time she'd ever handled a full-auto firearm, it's a big surprise when that gun continues to go off," said Workman, a firearms instructor for 30 years. "I've even seen adults stunned by it."
Scarmardo said his policy of allowing children 8 and older to fire guns under adult supervision and the watchful eye of an instructor is standard practice in the industry. The range's policies are under review, he said.
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Associated Press Writer Gene Johnson contributed to this report from Seattle.
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:25 am
by Econoline
oldr_n_wsr wrote:Doesn't the M16 have a three position trigger. Singel shot, 3 shot burst, thenfully automatic? Guess the uzi does not have that option.
Either that, or the instructor made a mistake. Guess it's too late to ask him now...
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:31 am
by Lord Jim
If you look at the video, I think he did exactly what he intended to do (well, except for the shot in the head part) he had the weapon set in single shot mode, she fires a shot, and then you see him making some adjustment on the Uzi to put it in automatic mode.
In fact, he also says what he's doing:
“Allriiight!” he says, congratulating her after she fires the gun in single-shot mode. “All right, full auto!” he says. Then comes a spray of bullets
If you look at the video, I think he did exactly what he intended to do (well, except for the shot in the head part) he had the weapon set in single shot mode, she fires a shot, and then you see him making some adjustment on the Uzi to put it in automatic mode.
I can see why this guy is dead. Not a very good instructor. He may know how to handle guns, but his teaching others is not up to snuff.
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:25 pm
by rubato
Let's see, what have we learned here?
Q: Did we know that automatic weapons are dangerous?
A: Yes.
Q: Did we know that firing an automatic weapon requires practice and both physical and mental maturity?
A: Yes.
So he really did die for *exactly* nothing. We learned nothing.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:02 pm
by Crackpot
You are such a pessimist. If nothing else the quality of firearms instructors has improved through attrition.
Re: Uzi kidding
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:50 pm
by dales
According to the news, he wasn't an NRA Certified Instructor.