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Posted: **Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:48 pm**

King Richard III's remains have arrived at Leicester Cathedral ahead of his reburial.

His funeral cortege entered the city at the historic Bow Bridge after touring landmarks in the county.

Cannons were fired in a salute to the king at Bosworth, where he died in 1485.

His coffin will be on public view at the cathedral from 09:00 GMT on Monday. He will finally be reinterred during a ceremony on Thursday.

Richard's skeleton was found in 2012, in an old friary beneath a car park.

The former king's coffin, which is made of English oak from a Duchy of Cornwall plantation, emerged during a ceremony at the University of Leicester.

Archaeologists, academics, researchers and descendants of Richard III's family, including Michael Ibsen who built the coffin, placed white roses on it during the ceremony.

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:36 am**

I had a hunch this would happen

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:40 am**

Bad, bad, bad Meade.

Shakespeare had it all wrong, but then, he was sucking up to the Tudors who were very much afraid of the Yorks.

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:49 am**

Well that's a twist! Apparently Shakespeare got it very wrong. Richard was killed by this centipede, found with the king's remains

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:58 am**

Meade is bent on making a joke of this subject...

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:24 am**

Scoliosis doesn't make you hunchbacked.

There was a lot more Shakespeare got wrong about Richard than his hunchback. http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2013-02-07-sou ... l-explored

While Shakespeare's mastery of language and stagecraft is universally recognised, the historical accuracy of many of his plays is open to question and the recent discovery of Richard III’s remains has reminded us of this.

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:40 pm**

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:46 pm**

I see. As LJ noted over the weekend, you only care about accuracy when you can use it as a weapon to belittle others?

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:14 pm**

I use accuracy as a weapon to belittle others? Interesting.

I made dumbass jokes about a skeleton based on the legend of Richard's "crookback" and a photo that reminded me of a bug. I appreciated your first response. The next two seem to be sour put-downs aimed at me. I've no idea to what purpose and who it is that has been belittled.

For the record, NTIMM, my step-children's family (grandmother, father and two uncles) suffered from scoliosis - in one case severely; much more so than Richard and he (Timmy, not Richard) was an ace break dancer of all things! My step-children had (thankfully) only very mild forms of it (scoliosis, not break-dancing).

Anyway, I have to turn back and see what LJ said about me - I missed that

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:15 pm**

I'm not sure how you got sour from my second response. It was simply factual. You posted the twisted spine. I posted that scoliosis doesn't result in a hunched back. And then I posted a link with some support for my assertion that Shakespeare got a lot of facts wrong. What is sour about any of that??

And my third response was directly responsive to your puckering lemon post. Seems to me you were the lemony one, not I.

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:18 pm**

Never mind, Guin. I just thought you were being obtusely serious about two obvious (to me) jokes. I know about Dick the Turd and Shakespeare. I watched the documentary on the discovery and examination of the bones - watched it twice, in fact. Let it pass as a minor ripple, please. (And the lemon was a joke too).

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:52 pm**

No worries, I'm not taking it personally.

I laughed at the first joke, and just thought to interject some fact into the discussion. I've read a bit about the subject and Josephine Tey's "Daughter of Time" is my favorite of her Alan Grant series and a great book all on its own.

Posted: **Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:06 am**

Guinevere wrote:Scoliosis doesn't make you hunchbacked.

There was a lot more Shakespeare got wrong about Richard than his hunchback. http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2013-02-07-sou ... l-explored

While Shakespeare's mastery of language and stagecraft is universally recognised, the historical accuracy of many of his plays is open to question and the recent discovery of Richard III’s remains has reminded us of this.

I don't think he 'got it wrong' about the hunchback. His goal as a dramatist was to describe Richard's body and deformity in a way which explained and depicted that character's physical person for an audience with limited understanding of physiology and medicine and not be tiresome about it. In that sense "hunchback" works pretty well. Easy to costume an actor up to look right and give him some characteristic body language to show off. "Hunchback" is just shorthand for "bent frame".

yrs,
rubato

Posted: **Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:17 am**

And of course the whole currying favor with the Tudors thing...

Posted: **Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:31 am**

rubato wrote:"Hunchback" is just shorthand for "bent frame".

Actually, 'Hunchback' means that a person has a deformed back with a hump. The term 'bent frame' is normally used to describe damage done to an automobile.

Posted: **Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:16 am**

Tati was diagnosed years ago with a minor case of scoliosis...

She's a cheerleader and a track runner, and she has no back pain or posture issues...

Scoliosis doesn't turn you into Quasimoto...

Posted: **Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:37 am**

And I'll bet she doesn't have a spine like Richard Crookback either. Shakespeare may have overdramatized but there's a reason that "crookback" resonated through history. Take another look at that spine photo and tell me that he wasn't bent in ways that the crudity of the times would not have highlighted

Isn't there something odd when people scoff in the face of the fact that the "myth" that Richard III had a severe back problem was one of the very factors that caused the skeleton to be thought his because of the deformity in the bones? He certainly wasn't as Larry played him but is that Shakespeare or is that interpretation?

Posted: **Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:50 am**

A note on "bent frame", the usage thereof.

Richard "Lord" Buckley
The Nazz
pre-1960

"...
So The Nazz and his buddies was goofin' off down the boulevard one day ...
and they run into a little cat with a bent frame.

So The Nazz look at this little cat with the bent frame
and he say, "Watsamatta wit' chew, baby?"

Little cat with the bent frame he said, "My frame is bent, Nazz."
Say, "It's been bent from in front."

So The Nazz look at the little cat with a bent frame
and he put the Golden Eyes of Love on this here little kittie
and he look right down into the window of the little cat's soul
and he say to the little cat ... he say, "STRAIGHTEN!"

Rooom - Boom!

Unbent that little cat like an arrow.

And everybody's jumpin' up and down
sayin' ...

"Look what The Nazz put on that boy!"

"You dug him before. Said redig him now!"

Everyone's talkin' about The Nazz.
What a great cat he was.
How he swung with the glory of love.
How he straighten out the squares.

yrs,
rubato

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