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Great Escape
Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:13 pm
by Lord Jim
Employee questioned in New York prison escape
CNN)An employee at the Clinton Correctional Facility in New York is being questioned as a possible accomplice in the escape of two convicted killers over the weekend, a law enforcement source briefed on the investigation confirmed to CNN.
The source would not comment on the extent of the woman's involvement or the kind of help she may have provided.
The development comes after New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said the inmates -- Richard Matt and David Sweat -- must have had help in carrying out the intricate plot. The pair, who were in side-by-side cells, used power tools to cut through the cells' steel walls and clambered through a maze of underground pipes, according to authorities.
"They wouldn't have had the equipment on their own, that's for sure,"[one would certainly hope...]Cuomo told CNN of the convicted killers, who escaped sometime after they were last seen at bed check Friday night.
In their place, the pair left decoys to trick guards into thinking they were asleep in their bunks -- and a yellow sticky note with a smiley face. It read, "Have a Nice Day!"
Despite a $100,000 reward and a manhunt involving some 250 law enforcement officials, Matt and Sweat -- both serving lengthy sentences -- were still on the loose Monday.
"They could be literally anywhere," said Maj. Charles E. Guess of the New York State Police, which is leading the search.
Cuomo said residents of Dannemora, where the prison is located, should feel safe because of the presence of hundreds of law enforcement officers there.
Still, students returned to schools Monday amid heightened security after police thoroughly searched every building and bus, Saranac Central School District Superintendent Jonathan Parks said in an email to parents. Police officers were scheduled to be at every school throughout the day, he said.
Tricking the guards
People call the Clinton Correctional Facility "Little Siberia."
That's in part because of its remote location -- in the sparsely populated northeast corner of New York, about 25 miles from the Canadian border.
And also because it's in a region where wintry weather can persist more than half the year.
The facility has 2,689 inmates, and two of its most notorious inhabitants were Matt, 49, and Sweat, 35.
They apparently were last seen at 10:30 p.m. Friday during a standing count -- head counts that are performed every two hours throughout the night when guards visually check to see whether inmates are in their bunks.
The pair tricked the guards by arranging things in the bunks to look "like people were sleeping ... with these sweatshirt hoodies on," Cuomo said.[How did they trick them into not hearing power drills cutting through steel?]
Once they were out of their cells, they then followed a catwalk down an elaborate maze of pipes until they emerged from a manhole outside the prison walls.
They evaded detection for some seven hours, until the inmate count at 5:30 a.m. Saturday.
Unanswered questions
Along with the taunting sticky note, the pair also left a host of unanswered, and uncomfortable, questions for law enforcement.
How did they get the power tools? How could they have known the layout of the bowels of the old prison? Did they have help from the inside? [Actually the question is "who helped them?" not whether they had help; this simply could not have been carried out without help.]
Cuomo, who toured the escape route and announced the $100,000 reward Sunday, said it was possible the tools came from contractors working on the 170-year-old prison. Authorities are also looking at civilian prison employees, he said. But he seemed to rule out the involvement of the prison's certified employees.
"I'd be shocked if a guard was involved, and that's putting it mildly," he said.
'Dangerous people'
The danger the two men pose can't be overstated, officials said.
Sweat was serving a life sentence without parole in the killing of Kevin Tarsia, a sheriff's deputy, in 2002.
Matt was convicted on three counts of murder, three counts of kidnapping and two counts of robbery after he kidnapped a man and beat him to death in December 1997, state police said. He was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.
"He has a history," said Gabriel DiBernardo, who led the investigation into the murder for which Matt was convicted. "He broke out of jail before. He is a cunning individual, no question about it, and a vicious individual."
Sweat is white, 5 feet, 11 inches tall and weighs 165 pounds. He has brown hair, green eyes and tattoos on his left bicep and his right fingers.
Matt is white, 6 feet tall and weighs 210 pounds. He has black hair, hazel eyes and several tattoos: "Mexico Forever" on his back, a heart on his chest and left shoulder, and a Marine Corps insignia on his right shoulder.
"These are dangerous people," Cuomo said. "And they're nothing to be trifled with."
Matt is also well-known to Mexican authorities. In 2007, he was extradited from Mexico back to New York on a decade-old murder charge, documents show.
With the facility's proximity to Canada, and with Matt's ties to Mexico, authorities on both international borders have been alerted.
'No stone unturned'
Officers used roadblocks and bloodhounds and went door to door in their search for the men. They scoured the woods and sifted through the dozens and dozens of tips that came in.
But so far, no luck.
They don't know if the pair is still together, had help on the outside, or if the men had access to a vehicle.
Jonathan Gilliam, a former Navy SEAL, FBI agent, air marshal and police officer, told CNN's "New Day" on Monday that the inmates might have been able to pull off part of the escape by themselves. But he said the presence of power tools and the complicated escape route suggest that they weren't working alone.
"The combination of all those things is very worrisome for me because that spells help," he said.
On Sunday, the U.S. Marshals Service issued federal arrest warrants for the escapees. The warrants clear the way for the federal government to involve its considerable resources in the manhunt.
"Every resource available to us will be used in bringing these two men to justice," said William O'Toole, a U.S. Marshals Service spokesman.
"We're leaving no stone unturned," Guess of the New York State Police said Sunday.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/08/us/new-york-prison-break/
I think these guys are going to be tough to catch...
Most prison escapes are opportunistic, and the escapees have no plan for what to do once they are free. Those kinds of escapees are generally rounded up in hours, a few days at most.
This one was very different from the norm. It was meticulously planned and took days to execute. Obviously they had help, and having planned this so well I think there's a strong possibility that they also planned what they would do and where they would go once they were out.
And as the article makes clear, these are two seriously bad eggs; they are more than likely to kill anyone who approaches them who appears to be on to them. They're both killers, and with no death penalty in New York, they have nothing to lose.
Re: Great Escape
Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:50 pm
by wesw
it looked like they used a cutting torch of some kind to me. much quieter than a saw. it would have a smell tho....
Re: Great Escape
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:52 am
by Long Run
I don't know whether to blame the Clintons or Cuomo. I'll get back to you on that.

Re: Great Escape
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:39 pm
by Sue U
Long Run wrote:I don't know whether to blame the Clintons or Cuomo. I'll get back to you on that.

I blame Obama.
Re: Great Escape
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:47 pm
by wesw
the one guy may have made some cartel friends in mexico. they have said that much of the cutting in the sewer system may have been preprepared for them. there is no way that they did all that cutting with a cordless saw or grinder unless they had a lot of extra, fully charged battery packs...
Re: Great Escape
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:25 pm
by Lord Jim
It's starting to look like the post escape plan may have gone sideways...
Hunt for Escaped New York Prisoners Centers on Willsboro
Law-enforcement officials converged Tuesday on the tiny upstate New York town of Willsboro to investigate a lead into the escape of two convicted murderers from a nearby high-security prison.
The police flooded the town to check on a report called in to police late Monday night from a driver who saw two men walking in the rain on a country road, according to Shaun Gillilland, the town supervisor of Willsboro.
“A report was called in by a citizen of two suspicious men walking down a very rural road in the southern part of our town in the middle of a driving rain storm,” Mr. Gillilland said. “When the car this person was in approached, they took off into the fields.”
Mr. Gillilland said it would be unusual for anyone to be walking along these roads late at night.
“It’s very rural, sparsely populated, agricultural and there’s no sidewalk,” he said.
Willsboro is about 35 miles south of the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora, N.Y., from which Richard Matt, 48 years old, and David Sweat, 34, escaped.
Mr. Matt was serving a sentence of 25 years to life for the 1997 murder of his former boss. Mr. Sweat was serving a life sentence for the murder of a sheriff’s deputy in 2002.
By early Tuesday morning, a heavy law-enforcement presence had settled in the town, including New York State Police, U.S. Marshals and the New York State Department of Corrections, Mr. Gillilland said.
Of course it's entirely possible these are not the guys...
We did learn some more about the escape timeline:
Two people say they have seen the two convicts who escaped from a maximum-security prison in New York over the weekend.
A man and his friend told ABC News that they saw 48-year-old Richard Matt and 34-year-old David Sweat in their backyard with what looked like a guitar case. The witnesses' identities are being withheld because of safety concerns.
Sources told the New York Daily News that the convicts were carrying the tools they used to break out of the prison in a guitar case one of the inmates had in his cell.
The witnesses spotted the men at about 12:30 a.m. near the manhole they reportedly escaped from after breaking out of the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora about 20 miles from the Canadian border.
When the witnesses confronted the men, one of them reportedly said: "We're just lost. We don't know where we are. We're on the wrong street." They then both took off running, the witnesses said.
The man added to ABC that he was "lucky to be alive."
Read more:
http://www.businessinsider.com/eyewitne ... z3cbd8pmY0
Given the fact that they were last verified to be in their cells at 10PM, that means they were able to do everything they had to do, except presumably cutting through the wall in the cell, (including cutting through a two foot brick wall along their escape route) in two hours or less...
Unless they were able to get up and down a six story high catwalk and back into their cells repeatedly undetected before they made their break for it...very unlikely...
It also means that from the time they emerged from the manhole, they had a five hour head start on law enforcement, before they were found missing at the 5:30 AM roll call...
Re: Great Escape
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:41 pm
by Long Run
I blame Obama.
He was smart enough to keep his name out of the article.

Re: Great Escape
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:32 pm
by Gob
Lord Jim wrote:
“A report was called in by a citizen of two suspicious men walking down a very rural road in the southern part of our town in the middle of a driving rain storm,” Mr. Gillilland said. “When the car this person was in approached, they took off into the fields.”

Re: Great Escape
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:23 pm
by Lord Jim
Escaped killers' driver went to hospital instead, source says
(CNN)Investigators think a woman who worked with Richard Matt and David Sweat at the Clinton Correctional Facility planned to pick up the convicted killers after they escaped but changed her mind at the last minute, a source familiar with the investigation tells CNN.
Joyce Mitchell went to a hospital this weekend because of panic attacks, the source said.
Mitchell is one of several prison employees who has been questioned in the case, but she has not been charged. She has given a statement and is being "somewhat cooperative," a source said.
Her cell phone was used to call several people connected to Matt, another source with knowledge of the investigation told CNN. It's unclear who made the calls or when the calls were made.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/10/us/new-york-prison-break/
Re: Great Escape
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:36 pm
by Lord Jim
Now this is
really getting weird(er):
District Attorney: Husband of NY prison employee ‘could’ve been involved’ in murderers’ escape
(CNN) –The husband of an upstate New York prison employee who may have helped a pair of convicted murderers escape is being investigated and “could’ve been involved or at least had knowledge” of the breakout, Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie told CNN on Friday.
Lyle Mitchell, husband of prison seamstress Joyce Mitchell, worked in the maintenance department at the same tailoring shop where his wife worked at the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora, officials said.
http://q13fox.com/2015/06/12/district-a ... rs-escape/
Okay, maybe the woman was somehow "charmed" into getting involved in this, but what
possible motive could
her husband have had?

Re: Great Escape
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:52 pm
by Big RR
Well I don't quite buy the "charmed" defense; but I guess if it's possible he could have been charmed as well--these guys were in prison afterall.
Re: Great Escape
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:59 pm
by Lord Jim
I don't quite buy the "charmed" defense...
I don't buy it as a "defense"...just as a possible explanation...
If what's being reported is true, this woman played an essential role in unleashing two stone cold killers back into society...
She should do
serious time for that....(and if they kill again, she should be held culpable for that as well)
I'm thinking that if the husband was involved as well, that the explanation might be something like one or both of them convincing him they had some money stashed away, and they'd tell him where it was...
But who knows?

Re: Great Escape
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:58 pm
by Lord Jim
The Latest on prison escape: No new leads in manhunt
Eight days into the massive manhunt in upstate New York for two convicted killers, state police say they have no new leads.
Hundreds of law enforcement officers blanketed a wooded area Saturday southeast of the maximum-security prison where David Sweat and Richard Matt escaped using power tools and leaving dummies under covers on their prison cots.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... ng_to.html
I'm starting to get the definite feeling that these guys are nowhere near where they are being searched for...
These two are not skilled survivalists like that cop killer last year who was able to elude authorities in the woods for several months. There have been no reports of break ins, or robberies, and for a lot of these eight days it's been raining heavily in the area. I don't see how these guys could be laying low unless they've made it at least as far as a vacation cabin somewhere (there are thousands of them in upstate New York, Vermont and Canada) that hasn't been contacted or searched.
It's also possible they could have reached a cabin that was occupied and then killed or kidnapped the occupants and stolen their car. In that case there would be no report of a car theft or car jacking, and it could be some time before the victims would be reported missing since they were on vacation in a remote area.
They could also use credit and ATM cards stolen from the victims without detection, since the authorities wouldn't be monitoring activity on those cards. (Being unaware that they were in the possession of the fugitives.) In that case they could be a couple of thousand miles away from upstate New York by now.
That's just one possible theory. I have a
really hard time believing these guys, with no wilderness training and no supplies, have been successfully eluding 800 law enforcement searchers (and dogs and helicopters) in this five square mile area of woods for at least the past four days that the search has lasered in on this area.
Re: Great Escape
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:10 pm
by Lord Jim
New York Escaped Prisoner Richard Matt Is Reported Killed
Richard W. Matt, one of the convicted murderers who staged an elaborate escape from New York’s largest prison nearly three weeks ago, was shot and killed on Friday by federal agents, two people with knowledge of the situation said.
There was a report of a second episode of gunfire as law enforcement officers pursued David Sweat, the other inmate, according to the two people. Mr. Sweat’s fate was unclear.
The shots were reported as law enforcement officers zeroed in on an area of remote terrain in Franklin County, near where investigators discovered evidence in two hunting cabins that indicated the missing inmates had been there.
It marked a violent turn in a sprawling manhunt that began in Dannemora, N.Y., a village near the Canadian border, and soon spread to large swaths of the state after Mr. Sweat and Mr. Matt engineered a daring breakout from Clinton Correctional Facility.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/nyreg ... oners.html
Re: Great Escape
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:15 pm
by Lord Jim
All three cable news channels are now reporting that the second fugitive, David Sweat has been shot by police but taken alive and transported to a hospital. No word on his condition.
On one hand I kind of hope he survives because it would be interesting (and useful for the authorities) to know all the details of how this went down, from the planning to the escape itself and the 20 plus days he spent on the run. (As well of course to find out who in addition to the two in custody may have helped them, and why they did so.)
However, this guy really doesn't have much incentive to be cooperative in terms of providing information. I suppose they could trade a few privileges, (I'm sure he's now going to face the 23 hour a day lock-down situation) but they'll have to think hard about that, since it was his ability to manipulate a "privileged" situation that enabled this escape. (And of course there's the issue of whether any thing he said could be believed.)
But no matter what happens next, the
really good news of course is that this has finally been brought to an end with no innocent people being killed or injured. With two desperate escaped killers on the loose with nothing to lose for so long, that's a pretty good achievement.

Re: Great Escape
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:55 pm
by Lord Jim
He doesn't look like he's been eating real well, but he doesn't appear to be all that badly injured by the gun shot wounds he received he's conscious, he's sitting up, and he doesn't appear to be in a great amount of pain):
ETA:
Press conference expected in about 15 minutes...
Re: Great Escape
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:11 pm
by Long Run
The good news, apart from this ending, is that they did not injure anyone else while they were fleeing. If their accomplice hadn't had an attack of conscious, their plan may have worked. Likely will lead to some more security measures, adding to the Swiss cheese.
Re: Great Escape
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:53 pm
by BoSoxGal
Escape from Dannemora on Showtime is very good; Patricia Arquette just won a SAG award for her portrayal.