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This is a strange one...
'Black' NAACP leader outed as white woman

SPOKANE, WA (KREM) -- A recent investigation into racially charged threats made toward the president of the NAACP chapter in Spokane have raised questions beyond who made the threats.

On Thursday, Rachel Dolezal's parents claimed she had been deceiving people.

Ruthanne and Larry Dolezal said Thursday that they want people to know the truth including that their daughter is Caucasian. The Dolezals sat down with 11Alive's Spokane sister station, KREM 2 News and said their daughter is specifically German and Czech.

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Rachel Dolezal was born in Troy, Montana. Ruthanne and Larry Dolezal said their daughter has always identified with the African American culture and had black siblings who were adopted. They said she went to school in Mississippi and was part of a primarily African American community.

The Dolezals said Rachel married and later divorced a black man. They said after the divorce in 2004 Rachel began identifying differently. She started claiming to be partially African American and the daughter of bi-racial parents. They said they have noticed her change in physical appearance but do not know how she did so.

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(That's a wedding picture of her, her husband, her parents, and her four adopted younger siblings)

"Rachel has wanted to be somebody she's not. She's chosen not to just be herself but to represent herself as an African American woman or a biracial person. And that's simply not true," said Ruthanne Dolezal.

The Dolezals said they do not have a problem with Rachel advocating for a civil rights group for African Americans, rather that she is being deceptive about it.

Rachel's parents said she distanced herself from them and has not talked to them recently.

And this makes it even stranger:

A police report filed in March questions how hate mail ended up in the PO Box for the Spokane chapter of the NAACP. On Wednesday, the Spokane Police Department released an eleven page report into their findings thus far.

In March, Spokane NAACP President Rachel Dolezal claimed she found an envelope with pictures of lynchings and references to local cases concerning race.

The envelope containing the letter was found in the NAACP mailbox at the Rosewood Post Office along North Monroe.

However, investigators later noticed important marks missing from the package.

It was delivered to a post office box. But it did not have a date stamp or barcode according to an on-going police report by SPD.

Postal officials told SPD officers that a letter or package would never be put in a mail box purposefully without those things even if it was hand delivered to the post office. Postal workers said it is possible that the letter could have gotten stuck to another letter and thus missed the scanner and postal marking. But they said the chances of this happening were extremely low.

Staff said the only other way for a unprocessed letter to land in a PO Box would be if it were placed there by someone with a key or a USPS employee was involved.


In May, Dolezal claimed she had received another racially charged letter.

She said the latest one looked like it is from the same person. Dolezal said she wrapped the letter in a grocery bag to avoid getting fingerprints on it so it can be given to detectives. It also made reference to the first letter and was signed 'War Pig' according to Dolezal. She told officers that she had heard the term "War Pig." she believed that they are a hate group which associated with meth dealers and they are violent according to police records.

The second letter was sent to NAACP's Downtown Spokane.

When the original letter was sent in March, it was the ninth hate crime in less than a decade for Rachel Dolezal.

Dolezal told officers she believed the threats were directed at her and her sons. She admitted to filing numerous police reports as a victim of these crimes.

KREM 2 News has covered Dolezal previously for work in human rights and when she had received opposition in North Idaho and Spokane. She said she has been the victim of burglary, death threats and in two cases, nooses left on her property.
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/natio ... /71101474/

Call me cynical, but I'd bet serious coin that the source of all the letters and the nooses is...

Ms. Dolezal...

This sounds like a lady with some serious mental health issues....
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liberty beat you to it jim.....

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Sorry, I didn't see that post...

But now that I have, I have to say that mine appears to be the superior post; it includes pictures, and is much easier to read, (I actually have paragraph breaks) ... 8-)
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Quick - go help him too (lib is wesw is LJ)
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I hope the local NAACP chapter boots her out! :arg
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Well, you don't have to be black to join the NAACP and it has always been an integrated organization. Moreover, what is the test for "race" that determines who is "black"? "Race" is a purely social construct and primarily a matter of self-identification. If she wants to identify as "black," why not? Who cares?
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Not me.
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I was thinking the same thing Sue. I would have thought that the days of quadroons and octaroons to qualify as black (or be prevented from being qualified as white) were long gone.

Whether she lied in a way which should result in her removal from whatever leadership position she holds is a different questions (and I don't have any information on that), but she can call herself what she chooses.

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Well, you don't have to be black to join the NAACP and it has always been an integrated organization.
I think that misses the point; the issue here isn't her race, it's her honesty, (and her mental stability)
"Race" is a purely social construct and primarily a matter of self-identification.
She started claiming to be partially African American and the daughter of bi-racial parents.
That's not a matter of "self-identification"; those are outright factual falsehoods. A product of dishonesty, delusion or both.
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I wasn't addressing either Ms. Dolezal's honesty or mental stability, just the question of "racial" identity. And I find it telling that apparently no one bothered to ask Ms. Dolezal what she herelf has actually said about her identity. All you have here is a second-hand version from people from whom she has distanced herself and who she "has not talked to ... recently." Perhaps they are not particularly accurate? It may be that Ms. Dolezal doesn't actually label herself as anything but just lets others draw whatever conclusions they want as a demonstration of the futility of "race" as a concept.
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if you read liberty s post in the other thread on the subject, you will see that she was blatantly dishonest, including a picture of herself with a black fellow who was supposedly her father.

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I also take strong issue with this:
primarily a matter of self-identification.
The identification that your culture and society perceives also plays a huge role...

All of the African-American people living in the segregated south could have "self-identified" as Irish, and it wouldn't have gotten them the legal right to sit in the front of the bus...
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I went to the CNN sight as well, this appears to be outright deception and dishonesty, maybe Hillary can use her....

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Wes, I have to say that's a rube-type technique; bringing partisan politics into a topic that really doesn't have anything to do with it...

This looks like a case of a very disturbed person, engaging in some very disturbed behavior, (including in all likelihood faking racist intimidation harassment against herself)...

I ain't a fan of Hillary's, but I really don't see what any of that has to do with her....
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Lord Jim wrote:I also take strong issue with this:
primarily a matter of self-identification.
The identification that your culture and society perceives also plays a huge role...

All of the African-American people living in the segregated south could have "self-identified" as Irish, and it wouldn't have gotten them the legal right to sit in the front of the bus...
What do you think would happen if most "white" people started identifying themselves as "black"?
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you are right of course, jim.

I just can t bear the thought of Hillary winning, party be damned.

I have no party, so it s more personal politics.

I certainly have voted for many democrats, bill Clinton included, and I would vote for a democrat today.

if it was jim webb against ted cruz, the dem would get my vote.

I am a non partisan curmudgeon , the left just gets my dander up a bit more these days.

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Sue U wrote:What do you think would happen if most "white" people started identifying themselves as "black"?
Probably about the same as would happen if most white people started identifying themselves as telephone boxes.
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Sue U wrote:
Lord Jim wrote:I also take strong issue with this:
primarily a matter of self-identification.
The identification that your culture and society perceives also plays a huge role...

All of the African-American people living in the segregated south could have "self-identified" as Irish, and it wouldn't have gotten them the legal right to sit in the front of the bus...
What do you think would happen if most "white" people started identifying themselves as "black"?
It would make people angry who have suffered the real effects of being black in a racist society, among other things

One of the ways that groups racially discriminated against are harmed is that they are never allowed to choose the identity they will claim.

A Danish-American can choose to be Danish, or not, to whatever degree that it pleases them. A black person is made black and then told what that means.

White people who want to support their black friends honestly must begin by admitting they really don't know what it is like to be told who you are and forced to accept it.


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About the op;

She has decided that she is an oppressed black woman trapped in the cultural history of a privileged white woman.


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I don't care if she wants to consider herself black, but she lied about her racial background as well as about various aspects of her childhood/upbringing and that, I think, is a basis for not being entrusted with the leadership of the local NAACP chapter - if for no other reason than to keep this drama from diminishing respect for the organization.

That being said, it appears they are standing behind her for the time being so it is what it is.
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