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"So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:50 pm
by Lord Jim
"How about the Islamic State?"

Feds: Mississippi couple planned honeymoon to join ISIS in Syria
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(CNN)"Our story will be that we are newlyweds on our honeymoon," the young woman allegedly wrote.

But in reality, according to a criminal complaint, she and her soon-to-be husband had a far more sinister trip in mind: flying from Mississippi to Europe, then traveling to Syria and joining ISIS.

Now 20-year-old Jaelyn Delshaun Young and 22-year-old Muhammad Oda Dakhlalla are facing federal charges after authorities arrested them at Golden Triangle Regional Airport in Columbus, Mississippi, over the weekend. They're accused of conspiring and attempting to provide material support and resources to ISIS.

Ken Coghlan, an attorney representing Young, declined to comment to reporters outside the federal courthouse in Oxford, Mississippi, after a hearing there Tuesday. Greg Park, a federal public defender representing Dakhlalla, also declined to comment.

An affidavit filed in U.S. District Court details how two undercover FBI employees

Court documents detail what federal investigators say were the couple's plans to travel to Syria and join ISIS, as allegedly communicated through social media to the undercover FBI employees over the past several months.

Among the allegations:

-- Young wrote of her plans to marry Dakhlalla so the two could travel to Syria together. She confirmed that the wedding took place in June, and said the couple's cover story would be that they were flying to Europe on their honeymoon. To avoid suspicion, "We won't be flying to Istanbul. We will fly to a different country and take a bus."

-- The couple described their skills and asked how they could help the terror group's efforts. "I am good with computers, education and media," Dakhlalla allegedly wrote in one message to an FBI employee. "What could I contribute?" Young also allegedly told an undercover FBI agent that her skills would be useful. "I am skilled in math and chemistry and worked at an analytical lab here on my college campus. My partner is very good with things like computer science/media. We learn very fast and would love to help with giving medical aid."

-- In messages detailed in the complaint, the couple seemed enthusiastic, but also concerned about how training would work once they arrived. "Salaam again," Dakhlalla allegedly wrote in a message to an FBI employee. "I wanted to ask about the military experience there. Would I be with people that speak English as well or do they put me with everyone at basic training? I am excited about coming ... but I feel I won't know what all I will be doing."

-- Young allegedly praised the July 16 attacks at military centers in Chattanooga, Tennessee, in which four Marines and a sailor were killed. "The numbers of supporters are growing," she said in a message, according to the complaint.

-- In August, just days before the couple allegedly planned to begin their journey, Young allegedly wrote that it should be easy to make it past security at the Mississippi airport. "We will be flying direct. We live in a small town with a very small (poor) airport that doesn't have much, if any, security. ... That's one U.S. weakness -- small towns' airports have poor funding and less educated staff so it is easier to get through."

-- Last week, the couple allegedly bought plane tickets to fly from Columbus, Mississippi, to Istanbul. Authorities arrested them Saturday at the Mississippi airport, and both "confessed to attempting to travel to Turkey to join ISIS," according to the complaint.

According to a law enforcement official, Dakhlalla is the son of a local imam, Young is the daughter of a Vicksburg, Mississippi, police officer and a recent convert to Islam.

Family members did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Both are former Mississippi State University students, according to university spokesperson Sid Salter. Dakhlalla, of Starkville, Mississippi, graduated in the spring with a degree in psychology, and Young was last enrolled in the spring as a sophomore studying chemistry.

According to Salter, the university was contacted by MSU Police on Saturday regarding the arrest of the former students at the Golden Triangle Regional Airport.

Dakhlalla and Young were denied bond at a hearing Tuesday and remain in the custody of federal marshals, the Justice Department said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/us/missis ... uple-isis/

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:11 pm
by Joe Guy
Holy Shiite!

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:17 pm
by Gob
Shall we have a Plan B whip-round to pay towards their airfares?

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:48 pm
by Lord Jim
I find the young woman intriguing...

How does one go from being about as middle American as you can get...

The daughter of a police officer in Vicksburg Mississippi...

To being so hate-filled and alienated towards your country and your fellow citizens, that you cheer the Chattanooga terrorist attack, and you want to run off and join ISIS?

It will be interesting to see that story when it comes out; it must have been a very strange journey... :?

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:48 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
She wasn't able to get an ID suitable to register and vote

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:04 pm
by wesw
she was radicalized online....

....Obama s second presidential campaign, I think it was.

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:47 pm
by Big RR
Lord Jim wrote:I find the young woman intriguing...

How does one go from being about as middle American as you can get...

The daughter of a police officer in Vicksburg Mississippi...

To being so hate-filled and alienated towards your country and your fellow citizens, that you cheer the Chattanooga terrorist attack, and you want to run off and join ISIS?

It will be interesting to see when that story when it comes out; it must have been a very strange journey... :?
That's the big question; what prompts the interest in the first place. I guess it's some sort of alienation, the same alienation that people in other radical groups (like some of the survivalists) feel, along with a feeling that's what's being done in the name of the US in other lands is wrong. It's the same of some going to South America in the past to fight with rebels against US backed dictatorships; or to stand and picket at military funerals to show how god hates the way we are going. It's an idealism of sorts that can be manipulated.

There was a LeCarre a number of years back called The Little Drummer Girl (also a movie, but I'd skip that) which showed a young woman who opposed Israeli policies being recruited by the Israelis to spy for them in the name of peace; the Palestinians also manipulate her the same way. My guess is these people respond to the same topsy turvy pressure.

In the 60s and early 70s we had some pretty horrible radical organizations which preyed on those who were in the antiwar and integration movements; these gave rise to violent and repressive cults in the 70s and 80s (from the Manson family to the Moonies and Baghwan), etc. Some started to be come more political in the 80s and onward; and people still flocked to them. There are always some who look for the answers in an outsider group.

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:02 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
I guess it's some sort of alienation
I think in this case it has more to do with love. I think he was radicallized and spread the word to his future wife. She, being in love with him, started to agree with his views.

And that's the defense her lawyer will likely use.

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:42 pm
by Big RR
That could well be oldr, but I still think the attraction of radical groups such as ISIS stems more from alienation than from politics. Disillusioned people flock to things outside of the mainstream not because of politics as much as for a sense of belonging. Indeed, like this couple they don't even know what they're going to do, they just want to be part of something bigger than themselves but as outside the mainstream as they are.

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:46 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
I would agree if this (she) was a lone wolf.
He might have been the disillusioned "lone wolf" and then met and recruited her.

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:52 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Possible - it happened when Bill Clinton met "Lone Wolf" Rodham
:lol:

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:58 pm
by Econoline
What people seem to keep forgetting is that at its heart ISIS is a religious movement.

Being irreligious non-religious, I for one sure don't know what causes religious emotion, religious conversion, or religious fanaticism (and I wonder how realistic it is for people to expect to destroy a religious movement by military means). :shrug

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:25 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Even the Daily Mail is not alone in publishing this one:
Our faith condones raping underage slaves: ISIS publishes shocking guidebook telling fighters how to buy, sell and abuse captured women
Manual entitled 'Questions And Answers On Taking Captives And Slaves'
Document says all 'unbelieving' women can be taken as captives and sold
Says it is 'permissible' to have 'intercourse with female slave who hasn't reached puberty'
Pamphlet was distributed by masked ISIS fighter outside mosque in Mosul

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3ijF5UiiX

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:05 pm
by Big RR
Masked ISIS fighter. Who, the Lone Raper?

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:22 am
by Lord Jim
I think in this case it has more to do with love. I think he was radicallized and spread the word to his future wife. She, being in love with him, started to agree with his views.

And that's the defense her lawyer will likely use.
Her lawyer may use that defense, but just based on the quotes provided by the FBI in that story, I see something very different...

It suggests to me that she may have been the driving force in this plan...

Perhaps she "self-radicalized" on line, and then sought a Muslim boyfriend out...

What I see from that admittedly limited information, is a portrait of a highly intelligent but also somewhat cold blooded and calculating individual, who provides most of the communication:
What could I contribute?" Young also allegedly told an undercover FBI agent that her skills would be useful. "I am skilled in math and chemistry and worked at an analytical lab here on my college campus. My partner is very good with things like computer science/media. We learn very fast and would love to help with giving medical aid."
-- Young allegedly praised the July 16 attacks at military centers in Chattanooga, Tennessee, in which four Marines and a sailor were killed. "The numbers of supporters are growing," she said in a message, according to the complaint.

-- In August, just days before the couple allegedly planned to begin their journey, Young allegedly wrote that it should be easy to make it past security at the Mississippi airport. "We will be flying direct. We live in a small town with a very small (poor) airport that doesn't have much, if any, security. ... That's one U.S. weakness -- small towns' airports have poor funding and less educated staff so it is easier to get through."
My sense is, that it was more or less the middle-American daughter of the cop who was calling the shots here; not the Imam's son...she became radicalized, then sought him out, and then radicalized him...

He's not bragging about how easy it is to get through "small town airports"...

She is...

If I'm correct about that, this makes this an even stranger and more troubling story... :?

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:31 am
by Lord Jim
Of course she can't be all that smart...

Apparently she wasn't smart enough to figure out that she was talking to the FBI... :ok

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:12 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Could be Lord Jim. Thanks for pointing htat out.

I have a question? How is it that they were flying direct from this small (poor) airport. I don't think this small (poor) airport is international.
But I have been wrong before.

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:39 pm
by Big RR
My guess is because you don't have to clear customs in the US you may not have to check in again after they airline checks your passport and you clear security. There may be different requirements for persons who are not US citizens who need their passport stamped with an exit stamp, but I don't think US citizens have to go through security again or any immigration control (although credentials may be checked at the gate).

Re: "So Where Should We Go For Our Honeymoon Dear?"

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 6:01 pm
by Econoline
According to Wikipedia, the only airline that flies out of GTR is Delta, and all flights go through ATL.