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And starting tomorrow, there's rain in the forecast for every day of the coming week; we're just getting into the El Nino cycle... :ok
Does Sierra snowfall promise end to drought?

The snow numbers, and what they mean for California, are on a trajectory that shows this winter could be a drought-breaker.

The intuitive feeling across the board, with all the ski and snowboard parks in California open for the Christmas holidays, is that the winter is off to a big start. The numbers bear that out, said Michael Pechner of Golden West Meteorology.

For comparisons, the best site is the Central Sierra Snow Lab Weather Station in Norden (Nevada County), built in 1946 and operated by UC Berkeley. It is located near Historic Route 40, just off Interstate 80 near Donner Summit west of Truckee.

Last year on this date, Norden had 19 inches of snow on the ground, and had received a season total snowfall of 66 inches, Pechner said.

In comparison, Norden now has 62 inches on the ground and a seasonal total snowfall of 130 inches.

The 130-inch snowfall to date is only 33 inches less than last winter’s season total.
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The normal snow numbers at Norden for Christmas is 42 inches on the ground (20 fewer inches than now) and 112 inches of snow for the season (18 fewer than now), Pechner said.

One-third of California’s water comes from the snowpack in the Sierra Nevada. A big snowpack, of course, means all the ski parks are open and drives the winter recreation-based economy. Melting snow is what fills most reservoirs and drives the lake-based summer season for camping, boating and fishing.
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Do ... to-9158937
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glad to hear it. those poor souls in the Mississippi watershed are having it pretty bad.....

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Let's hope that does presage relief for the drought-weary Californians and higher forms of life.
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I think I hear mudslides coming your way.

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YEAH AND EARTHQUAKES AND EVERY OTHER CALAMITY KNOWN TO MAN!

DO NOT MOVE HERE!

It's too crowded already and you probably couldn't afford the cost of living - - - so there! :nana

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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We're just a tick above normal in the central and northern sierra and below in the southern sierra as of today.

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/snow ... o/PLOT_SWC


I'm hoping this week's storms kick us more into the positive category.


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The nature of such things is that the people in charge will never acknowledge that the drought is "over." That would make them seem less important. The quotes will be on the order of, "Well, just because we got a little bit of snow and rain doesn't mean we are out of the woods."

Now, maybe California can tax the rich bastards on the coast a little more to pay for a few more dams and reservoirs. Maybe.

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The drought is NOT over, we in CALIFORNIA have suffered through drought conditions for 4+ years.

It's going to take a lot more rain than what we have had to "catch up" to where we need to be.

You are not a resident and don't know what you are talking about.

You only succeed in making yourself look stupid.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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dgs49 wrote:The nature of such things is that the people in charge will never acknowledge that the drought is "over." That would make them seem less important. The quotes will be on the order of, "Well, just because we got a little bit of snow and rain doesn't mean we are out of the woods." ..."
The control of water has been a central issue for government in the SW for over 100 years; nothing will ever make it seem "less important". But as to the narrow facts of water storage it will take years of normal rainfall to re-charge aquifers re-fill reservoirs (like Domenigoni) and it is unlikely that much of the forests and woodlands will recover at all.

dgs49 wrote:"...
Now, maybe California can tax the rich bastards on the coast a little more to pay for a few more dams and reservoirs. Maybe.

Almost every election we vote to raise our own taxes. And Domenigoni reservoir just came on-line in 1999 and was filled in yr 2003.


You do know that reservoirs don't actually create water don't you? They can only smooth out dry and wet eras.


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The general population of California (as distinguished from some farmers in California) is not "suffering" through the drought. Life goes on, pretty much as usual. If you call deferring car-washing and not watering your lawns suffering, I think you need to wake the fuck up.

Please elaborate on the suffering. It ought to be entertaining.

The reason why California is water-poor is because the population is vastly greater than the climate can support; and most of the influx of new Californians is immigrants wanting to feed at the government's trough. Kudos to your enlightened "Sanctuary Cities." And had the state paid more attention in recent decades to the need to store water and less attention to "threatened species," the effects of this particular drought would be much, much more tolerable than they have been.

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If you call deferring car-washing and not watering your lawns suffering, I think you need to wake the fuck up.
Your ignorance on the CALIFORNIA drought is astounding.

It was much more than not watering lawns or washing cars.

Many of our reservoirs went dry and people who wanted to water their lawns made trips to waste water facilities for "non-potable" to take cars of landscaping. Many others let their lawns die and replaced it with drought-resistant vegetation. Many Californians took 5-minute showers and saved whatever precious water they could.

Many areas of central CALIFORNIA actually sank due to the pumping of aquifers which caused to land to sink.

It will take many years before the aquifers are recharged if ever.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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dgs49 wrote:The general population of California (as distinguished from some farmers in California) is not "suffering" through the drought. Life goes on, pretty much as usual. If you call deferring car-washing and not watering your lawns suffering, I think you need to wake the fuck up.

Please elaborate on the suffering. It ought to be entertaining.

The reason why California is water-poor is because the population is vastly greater than the climate can support; and most of the influx of new Californians is immigrants wanting to feed at the government's trough. Kudos to your enlightened "Sanctuary Cities." And had the state paid more attention in recent decades to the need to store water and less attention to "threatened species," the effects of this particular drought would be much, much more tolerable than they have been.

I am not 'suffering' and have not said I was.

We have made a few changes in water use and now use sightly less than 1/2 of our allotment under water rationing.

I have a colleague who lives in Merced whose well has gone dry for two years now. They have been suffering.

But the forests which grew and developed under 'normal' rainfall are all suffering and we will see large die-offs of redwoods, coastal oaks, and some of the evergreen forests of S. California.

And California subsidizes the rest of the country with our taxes, we pay more than we get back from the federal government so go suck an egg, moron. It is the conservative states which suck up the subsidies.

Maybe if you were smarter you could have passed the bar in California and lived out here yourself and not been such a failure.


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Dave, here are some facts about California water use:
Water in California is shared across three main sectors.


Statewide, average water use is roughly 50% environmental, 40% agricultural, and 10% urban. However, the percentage of water use by sector varies dramatically across regions and between wet and dry years. Some of the water used by each of these sectors returns to rivers and groundwater basins, and can be used again.
Environmental water provides multiple benefits.

Environmental water use falls into four categories: water in rivers protected as "wild and scenic” under federal and state laws, water required for maintaining habitat within streams, water that supports wetlands within wildlife preserves, and water needed to maintain water quality for agricultural and urban use. Most water allocated to the environment does not affect other water uses.

More than half of California’s environmental water use occurs in rivers along the state’s north coast. These waters are largely isolated from major agricultural and urban areas and cannot be used for other purposes. In the rest of California where water is shared by all three sectors, environmental use is not dominant (33%, compared to 53% agricultural and 14% urban).

Approximately nine million acres of farmland in California are irrigated, representing roughly 80% of all human water use. Higher revenue perennial crops—nuts, grapes, and other fruit—have increased as a share of irrigated crop acreage (from 27% in 1998 to 32% in 2010 statewide, and from 33% to 40% in the southern Central Valley). This shift, plus rising crop yields, has increased the value of farm output (from $16.3 billion of gross state product in 1998 to $22.3 billion in 2010, in 2010 dollars), thereby increasing the value of agricultural water used. But even as the agricultural economy is growing, the rest of the economy is growing faster. Today, farm production and food processing only generate about 2% of California’s gross state product, down from about 5% in the early 1960s.

Despite population growth, total urban water use is also holding steady.
The San Francisco Bay and South Coast regions account for most urban water use in California. These regions rely heavily on water imported from other parts of the state. Roughly half of urban water use is for residential and commercial landscaping. Despite population growth and urban expansion, total urban water use has remained roughly constant over the past 20 years. Per-capita water use has declined significantly—from 232 gallons per day in 1990 to 178 gallons per day in 2010—reflecting substantial efforts to reduce water use through pricing incentives and mandatory installation of water saving technologies like low-flow toilets and shower heads.

Coastal regions use far less water per capita than inland regions—145 gallons per day compared with 276 gallons per day in 2010—largely because of less landscape watering.
http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=1108

So, since the total percentage of non-agricultural human water use amounts to only 10% of all usage, and since this usage has remained steady over the past 20 years despite population growth, this assertion:
The reason why California is water-poor is because the population is vastly greater than the climate can support
is absolutely 100% incorrect.

And as Dale has pointed out, the drought here is FAR from over. We've made a start, but we're going to need the next three months to bring solid, continuous storm systems, (which thankfully everything indicates we have a very good shot at getting) to really put a serious dent in it.
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Update:
Per-capita water use has declined significantly—from 232 gallons per day in 1990 to 178 gallons per day in 2010...

...Coastal regions use far less water per capita than inland regions—145 gallons per day compared with 276 gallons per day in 2010—
Since 2010, these numbers have further dropped dramatically. Here are the figures as of the end of last winter, (immediately prior to the implementation of mandatory reductions:)
The statewide R-GPCD average for February was 76.7 gallons per person per day, a slight increase from January
when the statewide average use was 73.1gallons per person per day.

At the low end, the San Francisco Bay hydrologic region averaged 57.9 gallons per person per day. On the high end, the Colorado River hydrologic region averaged 165.6 gallons per person per day.
http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/press_room/pres ... vation.pdf
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Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.

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(to be read in your best aussie accent)

...maybe archer-daniels midlands company ate your water....

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geez, grow some more almonds and walnuts will ya?

yer all nuts out there anyway... :mrgreen:

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geez, grow some more almonds and walnuts will ya?
CALIFORNIA has drastically curtailed almond production due to almonds needing lots of water (I'm not sure about walnuts).

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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they have curtailed it because there ain t no damned water!

the damned almonds done drank it all up!

archer daniels midlands is sucking you dry.

better off with the franklin model of land use

1/3 for crops, 1/3 laying fallow, 1/3 left natural

ADM creates diversity deserts . they are raping you

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Communities across California are bracing for two weeks of heavy rains generated by the El Nino system.

Northern California could receive up to 15in (38.1cm) of rain over the next 16 days, with parts of the Sierra Nevada mountains getting up to 24in of snow.

The El Nino system, a warming trend in the Pacific Ocean, is expected to spur extraordinary weather across the US in the coming weeks and months.

The phenomenon is prompting warnings of flash floods and mud flows.

Light rain began falling across the region on Monday, but stronger storms are expected to hit the area on Tuesday, with at least two more systems expected on Wednesday and Thursday.

Much of the area in the storms path has fallen victim to wildfires in recent years, making the heavy rains more hazardous. After wildfires destroy vegetation, there is an increased risk of landslides and mudslides along sloped areas.

The concerns are shared in southern California, where wet conditions could put communities in the Los Angeles area at risk of flooding and susceptible to debris and mud flows. Between two and three-and-a-half inches of rain are expected through Friday in southern California.

Across the state, officials are issuing warnings for the storms and telling residents to clear gutters and anything that could hinder the flow of storm drains. Efforts are under way to shelter homeless people.
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Gob wrote: Northern California could receive up to 15in (38.1cm) of rain over the next 16 days, with parts of the Sierra Nevada mountains getting up to 24in of snow.
I guess it is accurate to say that "parts of the Sierra Nevada" may get 24 inches of snow -- that would be the low parts. However, from a news standpoint, 15 inches of rain in the lowlands will result in way more than 24 inches of snow -- depending on temperatures, such rain could result in 6-10 feet of snow at the higher elevations.

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