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If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:13 pm
by liberty
If Puerto Rico has a right to leave why doesn’t Texas? I usually believe that a larger ship is better than a smaller ship in a storm, but if the ship is gong to sink anyway what does it matter? (Just a metaphor, don't go crazy).

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/from-b ... spartandhp

From Brexit to Texit? Renewed calls for Texas secession after EU vote

FORT WORTH, Texas -- Britain's startling vote to leave the European Union has reignited talks of secession in Texas, CBS Dallas-Fort Worth reported.
Daniel Miller, head of the Texas Nationalist Movement, sent a tweet to Gov. Greg About Friday morning calling on him to schedule a statewide referendum on "Texas independence."
Good Morning @GregAbbott_TX Its a great day to schedule a referendum on Texas Independence!https://t.co/u0U3aSHvOXpic.twitter.com/zLQTsNxjvY
— TNM (@TexasNatMov) June 24, 2016
The hashtag #Texit was trending locally, according to CBS DFW. People at the Fort Worth Stockyards had mixed reactions to the idea.
"It's worth a shot. I'd be happy," resident Tab Pigg told the station, saying the East and West Coasts "run everything."
"No one knows we're even here," Pigg continued. "Best thing we could do is let them have it. They want to make a wreck out of their part of the world, let 'em wreck it."
"I feel like that's almost a little arrogant," said Clavin Wiese, a tourist from Boston visiting Fort Worth. "What are you, too good to be part of the rest of us, the United States? I don't know."
Texas was an independent country from 1836 to 1845 and breaking away from the U.S. has been an age-old debate there.
In December, the Texas Republican Party rejected a proposed, non-binding ballot initiative that would have let voters consider secession during the March 1 primary.
The measure would have read: "If the federal government continues to disregard the Constitution" and Texas sovereignty, the state "should reassert the prior status as an independent nation."
State GOP leaders also abandoned a plank in the party's platform last month that would have supported a secession referendum.
Miller told Reuters his group has a quarter of a million supporters and will try again for a statewide vote in 2018.
"Texit is in the air," he said.
Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry is among those who have vaguely flirted with the idea of secession in the past, although a spokeswoman said in 2012 that while Perry "shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government," for the former GOP presidential candidate "believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it."

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:22 pm
by Joe Guy
If Tab Pigg thinks it's a good idea to secede, then I reckon it's a good idea.

Adios, Texas! Build yer own wall!

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:23 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Sigh. Texas is a state of the Union. Secession is illegal [Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) and other cases]. Texas still has no "right" to secede, even 150 years after the first go-round.

Puerto Rico is not a state of the Union. It also cannot secede because there is nothing to secede from. It can vote for independence and, if it does so, that may well be the outcome. The USA "annexed" Puerto Rico and has no moral right to "ownership".

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:27 pm
by Scooter
If Texas wanted to leave, I think most of the rest of the U.S. would say don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

That would probably go double for the festering pustule that is the state of Louisiana.

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:01 pm
by Bicycle Bill
You're right; most of the rest of the US probably wouldn't mind seeing them (try) to go their own way, because you realize that should Texas ever cease to be part of the USA a lot of tax dollars stop flowing into that state as well, starting with money spent on military bases such as Fort Bliss, Fort Hood, Fort Sam Houston, Randolph AFB, Laughlin AFB and the Corpus Christi NAS, plus any and all Coast Guard stations.  Wave 'bye-bye', too, to the NASA complex in Houston.  And best of luck to you the next time something like Hurricane Rita (which struck Louisiana and east Texas in 2005, killing 113 Texans, mostly in the Houston area) or Carla (in 1951; the worst hurricane in history to hit Texas) gets you in their crosshairs.

You would also think that Texas would remember history; after all, several other states, Texas included, attempted to secede once before — and with a marked lack of success.  If they tried it again, the process would be even messier and uglier than the last time, and in the end the results would likely be the same.
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Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:08 pm
by rubato
We should just sell them to Mexico. Throw in Oklahoma as a sweetener.


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rubato

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:56 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Ah, xenophobia at its best! What charming USians you are... and a maple leaf cluster.

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:54 pm
by rubato
Texans are no longer ethnically like the rest of the US? They do speak a reasonably comprehensible dialect of English.


I think you just stretched the "Xeno" part till it broke, son.

yrs,
rubato

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:57 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Merriam-Webster
Full Definition of xenophobia

: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
Don't you sometimes weary of being wrong? :nana

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:07 pm
by Gob
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Merriam-Webster
Full Definition of xenophobia

: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
Don't you sometimes weary of being wrong? :nana
The evidence would suggest otherwise.

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:48 am
by liberty
Free Quebec, free Quebec, free Quebec from the rule of the fascist jack booted thugs.

Free Quebec, free Quebec, free Quebec from the rule of the fascist jack booted thugs.

Free Quebec, free Quebec, free Quebec from the rule of the fascist jack booted thugs.

:D :D :D

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:07 am
by Scooter
Uh, Quebec voted to stay. Twice.

And you wonder why everyone thinks you're a moron.

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:16 am
by rubato
You have failed to show that Texans are "strangers or foreigners" as I proved above.


Get a grip on reality. hating makes you irrational and stupid.


yrs,
rubato

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:13 am
by kmccune
Think that secession business was settled after Lee capitulated in 1865,theres still a fair amount of yahoos who never surrendered.Can you imagine how bad it would be this time when the rest of the US faced an army that actually had boots and was well equipped ? Dont even think about it ,one of the New England states even murmurs about secession from time to time ,dont know if our commander in chief would feel as strong :shrug ly about preserving the "Union " as Mr .Lincoln did .

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:24 pm
by Lord Jim
You have failed to show that Texans are "strangers or foreigners"
fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
Rube, you have demonstrated repeatedly that from your perspective, you consider Texans to be both "strange" and "foreign"... In numerous posts you have revealed a contempt and hatred for Texans bordering on the pathological...you clearly view them as an "other"....

But of course a guy who doesn't see the difference between "significant" and "minor" and who thinks "the defining characteristic of affluence is free time" and who can't tell the difference between 2.6 trillion and 600 billion, and who doesn't know the difference between a private jet and a rowboat, is obviously severely "word definition challenged" from the start...

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:56 pm
by rubato
OHH POOOR BABY! Hatred really deranges your poor little mind doesn't it?


Texas is a geographic and political area. Only someone as devoted to looking like an asshole as you would attempt to distort the meaning of "xenophobia" so far.


You already showed your ass in the thread about Vietnamese, trying for two?



yrs,
rubato

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:07 pm
by Lord Jim
You already showed your ass in the thread about Vietnamese, trying for two?
LMAO :lol:

You must be referring to the discussion where you displayed your ignorant and intellectually barren tendency to universalize from your anecdotal limited experience to ascribe characteristics to a whole people. The discussion where you showed your ass by being unable to answer this question:
Lord Jim wrote:One further point to add here:
On the other hand I've been very impressed by my Vietnamese colleagues. Really amazing people*. I think I would enjoy the social aspects of living there.


yrs,
rubato


*My wife loves her Vietnamese patients as well. Tough, uncomplaining, hardworking, good-humored, courageous, express themselves from the heart.
Why would one think "I would enjoy the social aspects of living there" unless they believed that those characteristics could be ascribed to the population in general?

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:27 pm
by Jarlaxle
Bicycle Bill wrote:You're right; most of the rest of the US probably wouldn't mind seeing them (try) to go their own way, because you realize that should Texas ever cease to be part of the USA a lot of tax dollars stop flowing into that state as well, starting with money spent on military bases such as Fort Bliss, Fort Hood, Fort Sam Houston, Randolph AFB, Laughlin AFB and the Corpus Christi NAS, plus any and all Coast Guard stations.  Wave 'bye-bye', too, to the NASA complex in Houston.  And best of luck to you the next time something like Hurricane Rita (which struck Louisiana and east Texas in 2005, killing 113 Texans, mostly in the Houston area) or Carla (in 1951; the worst hurricane in history to hit Texas) gets you in their crosshairs.

You would also think that Texas would remember history; after all, several other states, Texas included, attempted to secede once before — and with a marked lack of success.  If they tried it again, the process would be even messier and uglier than the last time, and in the end the results would likely be the same.
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Texas receives less money from the Federal government than they send. And, of course, Texas has several advantages: the obvious being oil. A less-known (but maybe more important) one is that they have an independent power grid.

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:57 pm
by rubato
Here is a reason not to care for the state unrelated to your illusory xenophobia:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/eve ... ta-n598071
On Eve of SCOTUS Abortion Decision, Texas Accused of Suppressing Key Data

The Supreme Court is expected on Monday to announce its decision on Texas' abortion law, in what could be the most consequential ruling on the issue in a generation. The question: Do new requirements on abortion providers pose an unconstitutional "undue burden" on Texas women?

But among the reams of evidence presented to the high court and the public debate in Whole Woman's Health v. Hellerstedt, something is still missing: A full, official account of the initial impact of the law on Texas women.

A state employee with knowledge of the annual data Texas collects on abortion spoke to NBC News and is accusing state officials overseeing the Department of Health Services of intentionally blocking the information and instructing staff members to mislead people who ask for it. Because fact-finding traditionally ends after such a case goes to trial, long before it reaches the Supreme Court, the justices may or may not have considered it. But in the court of public opinion, the data could potentially undermine Texas' official argument that its requirements pose no particular burden on women.

First catapulted to the national stage by then-state Sen. Wendy Davis' pink-sneakered filibuster, the law has a bundle of abortion restrictions. Local abortion clinics have asked the Supreme Court to block two of the rules: that doctors performing abortions have admitting privileges at local hospitals and that even early procedures, including "medication abortions" that involve only taking two pills, take place in expensive ambulatory surgical centers.

Saying they are unable to comply with the admitting privileges provision — in one border town, McAllen, no hospital would even send abortion providers an application — about half of the clinics in Texas have already closed since 2013. If the Supreme Court allows the other requirement to go into effect, only nine or 10 clinics will be left in a state with 5.4 million women of reproductive age.

The court previously defined an illegal "undue burden" as "the purpose or effect of placing a substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion of a nonviable fetus." That's what makes information about the potential effect of the law so crucial, and it's why public health researchers and advocates are anxious to see Texas' data from 2014, the first full year the admitting privileges requirement was in effect.

Related: Texas women are running out of options

The state did release a provisional raw number of abortions in 2014, which showed a sharp decline in the procedure, but the full figures would break down the data by procedure, gestational age, region and race, which potentially corroborates the argument that the law poses an undue burden. ... "
yrs,
rubato

Re: If Puerto Rico has a right to leave.... Texas?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:04 pm
by Lord Jim
Back to the OP and the silly secession suggestion...

A while back, Texas (and a few others) tried this...

As I recall, that didn't work out so well for them...