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Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:36 pm
by Miles
Tucson shooting victims
Several groups plan to also shield families from potential picketers
They will be silent and non-confrontational, organizers say
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Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- The Arizona State Legislature is expected to pass legislation Tuesday that will bar protesters at funerals from getting within 300 feet of services, a spokesman for the state Senate said.

The action, according to Senate spokesman Daniel Scarpinato, is in direct response to a controversial church's announcement that it will picket the funeral of Christina Green, the 9-year-old who was one of six people killed Saturday during the attempted assassination of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, has made its name by staging protests at funerals of people who died of AIDS, gay people, soldiers and even Coretta Scott King.

Tucson just isn't that kind of town, says Christin Gilmer.

"For something like this to happen in Tucson was a really big shock to us all," she said. "Our nightmare happened when we saw Westboro Baptist Church was going to picket the funerals."



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In addition to the expected legislation, some Tucson residents are planning an "angel action" -- with 8-by-10-foot "angel wings" worn by participants to shield mourners from picketers. Angel actions were created by Coloradan Romaine Patterson, who was shocked to find the Topeka church and its neon signs outside the 1999 funeral of Matthew Shepherd, a young gay man beaten and left on a fence to die in Laramie, Wyoming.

"We want to surround them, in a non-violent way, to say that our community is united," Gilmer said. "We're a peaceful haven."

"You don't mess with Tucson," said Gilmer, 26, who described it as "a little dot of blue in a sea of red."

But political persuasions don't matter, she said. Republicans, Democrats, independents, right, left and center -- they've all offered their support. Forty-two people have signed up on a Facebook page called "Build Angel Wings for the Westboro Funeral Counter-Protest and Meeting" and more than 4,500 have signed up on another page to "Show Support for the Families of the Tucson Shooting Victims."

Jeff Rogers, the chairman of the Pima County Democratic Party, said Tuesday that his organization as well as the local Republican Party also will ask people to line the funeral routes to form a barricade if the church follows through on its planned protest.

"People, businesses, they're all donating material and money to build the angel wings," said Gilmer, who is helping organize the action. And, she added, they're donating to a fund created to help pay for services for the victims of the shooting.

Chelsea Cohen, a 20-year-old senior at the University of Arizona who launched the "Show Support" Facebook page, said she never expected such a response.

"Once I heard that the Westboro Baptist Church was coming, I felt like something should be done to show support for the families," she said. "I don't have any experience in organizing these things. I thought I might get 50 to 100 people."

Cohen said she thinks many of the 4,500 people who've signed up on the Facebook page will be there "in spirit" on Thursday, when mourners gather for the funeral of Christina Taylor Green, who was born on September 11, 2001. But she added, Tucson is an active town, and the response isn't likely to be small.

"This isn't a counter-protest," she said. "We wanted it to show support for the families and to show that Tucson is there with love and support."

They don't want to interfere with the funeral in any way, Cohen said.

"We plan on being completely silent, and we're asking people not to bring signs or make comments about the Westboro Baptist Church," she said.

The angels will be doing the same thing.

"We're going to silently stand there so people can mourn the death of a 9-year-old girl who died in a senseless tragedy," Gilmer said.

Cohen said several groups are planning to be at the funeral to show their support, and there is an effort afoot to bring them all together "into one group so we can all be on the same page."

"I hope that everyone there can convey the peaceful message that we want to convey, she said

And if the church picketers persist, the silent supporters will be on hand for the funerals of U.S. District Judge John Roll, Gabriel Zimmerman, Dorothy Morris, Dorwin Stoddard and Phyllis Schneck, the other five victims of Saturday's shooting. Giffords, who was shot in the head and is in critical condition, and 13 other people were wounded.

Westboro Baptist Church, founded by its spiritual leader, Fred Phelps, and run mostly by family members, did not respond to a request for an interview in time for this article. But a flier released by the church about the picket targets the Roman Catholic Church because Christina and her family were members.

"God hates Catholics!" the flier, posted on the church's "God Hates Fags" website, says. "God calls your religion 'vain,' as it's empty of His truth; you worship idols!"

:shrug What is wrong with these people?

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:07 pm
by Sue U
Miles wrote: :shrug What is wrong with these people?
They are a highly dysfunctional family cult that thrives on provocation and the attention that comes with it. The more they get people and governments to respond to their assholery, the more empowered they feel. But fundamentally they are still just douchebags.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:52 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
The action, according to Senate spokesman Daniel Scarpinato, is in direct response to a controversial church's announcement that it will picket the funeral of Christina Green, the 9-year-old who was one of six people killed Saturday during the attempted assassination of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
I'm going to get my 9mm Glock and get a high capacity magazine (before my NY Rep Caroline McCarthy ressurects the ban on them) and guard this family's right to a solemn funeral. :evil:
yes, I'll confront them down the street or two so as not to disturb the family

She's 9 years old for gods sake. What does she have to do with any political and/or religious statement these people feel they have to make?

This isn't politics, this isn't rhetoric, this is just plain ASSHOLES being ASSHOLES and these stink worse than most.

The bonehead who shot this little girl should have targetted these people, a lot less misery would be felt.



On a side note, did anyone catch Jon Stewards opening monolog on The Daily Show last night. Different and reverent.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:57 pm
by Crackpot
On a side note, did anyone catch Jon Stewards opening monolog on The Daily Show last night. Different and reverent.
I'm looking forward to catching the replay this evening.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:22 pm
by Sue U
oldr_n_wsr wrote:On a side note, did anyone catch Jon Stewards opening monolog on The Daily Show last night. Different and reverent.
I saw it; personally, I thought he should have gone for the jokes, particularly at the expense of the media/punditocracy. But I'll admit my comedic sense may have become rather warped of late by a couple of other sites I frequent.

ETA:

Also, I don't like Dennis Leary's new haircut. Looks like Opie/Richie Cunningham.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:33 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Sue U wrote:
oldr_n_wsr wrote:On a side note, did anyone catch Jon Stewards opening monolog on The Daily Show last night. Different and reverent.
I saw it; personally, I thought he should have gone for the jokes, particularly at the expense of the media/punditocracy. But I'll admit my comedic sense may have become rather warped of late by a couple of other sites I frequent.
I think at the end he eluded to doing just that tonight, but I may have misunderstood.
ETA:

Also, I don't like Dennis Leary's new haircut. Looks like Opie/Richie Cunningham.
He was going for the wholesome look. ;)

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:06 pm
by Crackpot
He let Colbert do that.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:05 am
by Gob
oldr_n_wsr wrote:I'm going to get my 9mm Glock and get a high capacity magazine (before my NY Rep Caroline McCarthy ressurects the ban on them) and guard this family's right to a solemn funeral. :evil:
yes, I'll confront them down the street or two so as not to disturb the family

She's 9 years old for gods sake. What does she have to do with any political and/or religious statement these people feel they have to make?

This isn't politics, this isn't rhetoric, this is just plain ASSHOLES being ASSHOLES and these stink worse than most.

I cannot believe that no one has of yet taken a baseball bat to these scum. I wish I was in a position to do so.

(But don't go and get yourself banged up O-n-W!)

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:05 am
by Crackpot

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:02 am
by Jarlaxle
Some sharpshooter needs to put a 6mm boat-tailed hollow point through the guts of fred phelps from a bit more than half a mile away. No chance in hell of catching him...he'll be breaking down his rifle as phelps falls to the ground screaming, he'll have the rifle in the case before anyone hears the shot, and have the case in the trunk & be driving away before anyone has any idea what has happened.

He will then qualify for a thousand-yard patch from the varmint Hunters' Association...because that's for anyone making a hit on a varmint from 1000+ yards, and nobody could deny that fred phelps is a varmint!

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:12 am
by @meric@nwom@n
One of the Phelps will die one day and it would be my pleasure to go and be disruptive at the funeral.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:32 am
by Gob
I'd prefer to go piss on the grave. Although pissing on the coffin as they lower it in would fulfil both objectives.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:58 am
by Andrew D
Someone should investigate the Westboro Baptist Cult to ascertain how many of its leader's children are also his grandchildren. That's typical cult-leader behavior ....

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:07 am
by Crackpot
It is guessed that at least a few are but they're schooled/brainwashed enough to know how to avoid charges.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:25 pm
by rubato
I was wondering just yesterday why no one had started pelting Phelps and the rest of clan with manure every time they show up? A "pie in the face" with a difference.

You could fill water balloons with a nice sloppy-sticky mixture and heave away. Or re-fill paintball ammo with something appropriate, maybe buteric acid? I wonder how long they would keep at it if they were covered in feces every time?

Not that I'm trying to give any one ideas or anything. I would never do that.

yrs,
rubato

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:52 pm
by Crackpot
because he's a lawyer and would sue the pants of of anyone who did so.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:31 pm
by Lord Jim
They are a highly dysfunctional family cult that thrives on provocation and the attention that comes with it. The more they get people and governments to respond to their assholery, the more empowered they feel. But fundamentally they are still just douchebags.
I'd say that pretty well covers it.

Like KKK members, this bunch always gets publicity that is wildly disproportionate to it's numbers. (The only group I can think of that even comes close to the Westboroites on this score is PETA, and at least they have a few thousand members...There are fewer than two hundred members of Westboro.)

It would be best if the media would simply ignore them; if they did, these antics would lose their appeal for these twisted fucks....

But it's a sad fact that outrageous behavior attracts media attention, and they know this.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:50 pm
by Gob
If the media ignored them, they'd only up the ante.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:56 pm
by Jarlaxle
Crackpot wrote:because he's a lawyer and would sue the pants of of anyone who did so.
Hence the half-mile rifle shot...he's on the ground screaming before anyone even hears trhe report.

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:50 am
by loCAtek
@meric@nwom@n wrote:One of the Phelps will die one day and it would be my pleasure to go and be disruptive at the funeral.
Oh RAH and Woo-hoo! No seriously, I second and endorse that statement. Image