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Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:28 am
by Lord Jim
Las Vegas shooting leaves at least 50 dead

LAS VEGAS – A shooting at a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip killed at least 50 people and wounded more than 200 others late Sunday, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said.

It was the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.

He said the man authorities think was the sole gunman was killed by police on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino across Las Vegas Boulevard from the Route 91 Harvest Festival, a country music festival.

"We believe it's a solo actor. A lone wolf," Lombardo said.

He said the gunman is an area resident.

Law enforcement sources told CBS News a search warrant has been issued for the home of the shooter, identified as Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada.

Two law enforcement sources told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that at this point, it doesn't appear the shooting was an act of terrorism. The suspect was known to police in Mesquite and had a criminal history, the sources said.

Lombardo said authorities believe they had found a traveling companion of the deceased gunman they were seeking, who Lombardo identified as Marilou Danley. Law enforcement sources tell Milton that Danley was Paddock's wife.

Lombardo added that authorities had tracked down two vehicles believed associated with the shooting.

Dozens of patrol vehicles descended on the Strip after authorities received reports of an active shooter near the festival.

Concert-goers reported seeing muzzle flashes from the upper floors of the Mandalay Bay [Our favorite place to stay in Vegas] and the sound of what they described as automatic gunfire.

Fifty people were admitted to the University Medical Center, a spokesperson told CBS News. Of those, at least two died and several were in critical condition, the spokesperson added.

CBS News has been told at least three other area hospitals were taking in shooting victims.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas- ... rt-casino/

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:44 am
by Guinevere
I'm horrified, and so sad. I grieve for Las Vegas, and for our country.

I'll leave the rest alone, for now.

Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:55 am
by RayThom
It sounds like the work of a disgruntled Trump supporter. I'm sure it won't be long before a complete profile is released to the press.

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:05 pm
by Scooter
Police won't call it "terrorism" because, you know, old white guy.

Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:16 pm
by RayThom
Scooter wrote:Police won't call it "terrorism" because, you know, old white guy.
(With apologies to Econ)
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Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:26 pm
by Bicycle Bill
Celebrate Your Second Amendment Rights!! (/sarcasm)

Well, here's another example of what happens when "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Reports on Yahoo are stating 50 dead and over 200 injured.

'God, Guns, and Guts Made America Free', or so says the NRA bumper sticker — but Trump, guns, and nuts are going to destroy her.
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Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:36 pm
by RayThom
I wish phone owners would learn to hold their devices on the horizontal rather than vertical for a better aspect ratio.


Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:55 pm
by Lord Jim
Scooter wrote:Police won't call it "terrorism" because, you know, old white guy.
I get the impression that the police aren't calling it terrorism because at this point they have no evidence of any ideological motivation, (political, racial, religious)

And here's a picture of "the old white guy's" girlfriend:

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Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:16 pm
by Big RR
And it does appear that he was shooting one or more fully automatic weapons, weapons that are illegal in all 50 states except under very strict circumstances (as I recall, only older automatic weapons (manufactured before some time in the 60s as I recall) can be acquired and then only through a specially licensed dealer and only after an extensive background check; they cannot be sold privately or given away (even to family members) and you must have a specially licensed dealer designated to receive the automatic weapon on your death (you cannot will it to anyone either, at least without going through the red tape of a transfer and background check). Automatic weapons owned by the public are, thus, very limited and very expensive. My guess is that it will turn out he used illegally acquired automatic weapons (and mere possession of such are punishable by lengthy federal prison terms).

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:28 pm
by Scooter
Or he could have bought any of a number of semi-automatic weapons that can easily convert to fully automatic, often with kits that are legally sold. Yes, owing such a converted weapon, or sometimes even the non-converted weapon along with the kit, is illegal, but it makes it far more accessible to the average joe than a weapon that comes fully automatic to begin with.

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:43 pm
by Big RR
Possible, but I have heard that the kits are much harder to get than previously because it they provide instructions on the conversion they manufacturers and sellers of the kit can be prosecuted as well (and I would think most people would not be able to use a kit without instructions). While I'd bet there is a lot of information on line on how to make a conversion (I really don't know for sure, but I'd bet it's there), I think such conversion would take a level of skill not held by the "average Joe." And you're right about prosecution of those with converted weapons--in my area a guy got a 10 year sentence for converting a weapon to fully automatic (I don't know the details, just what was in the paper).

But this does point to the problems of making possession illegal--a 10 year sentence doesn't deter some who want those weapons (for whatever reason) and they still are available for illegal purchases (with the longer sentence not deterring that either. Even if the second amendment were repealed, an abundance of firearms would still be with us. That's really the trouble in addressing the problem.

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:45 pm
by BoSoxGal
This is why I only go to work (private homes) the grocery store (15 min. trips at most) and the front desk of the library (I order the books pulled through their online system) anymore, and why I shop for almost everything at Amazon.

I’m scared to be out in public in these times, we are living among deeply damaged and very hostile people and a country awash in firearms.

Those poor, poor people. All they wanted was to have some fun and hear some music. :cry:

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:55 pm
by Lord Jim
Who Is Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas Shooting Suspect?

Here’s what we know:

• Mr. Paddock was found dead on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, the police said, and authorities believe he committed suicide.

• At least 10 guns were found in Mr. Paddock’s hotel room, including several rifles.

• Mr. Paddock was a resident of Mesquite, Nev., about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas. Quinn Averett, a spokesman for the Mesquite police, said the department has had no previous contact with Mr. Paddock.

• The Las Vegas police also had nothing more than a routine traffic violation on Mr. Paddock, according to Kevin McMahill, the department’s undersheriff.

• Mr. Paddock’s residence was expected to be searched Monday morning.

• A companion of Mr. Paddock’s was questioned by the Las Vegas police but was not believed to have been involved in the shooting.

• The shooting began around 10:08 p.m. local time, the police said. The authorities estimated that 406 people were transported to hospitals. There were more than 22,000 people at the concert.
What we don’t know:

• The suspect’s motive is unclear.

• It is not yet clear whether the suspect planned the shooting alone or was working with others.

• The authorities have not announced whether the suspect had any ties to domestic or international terrorist groups.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/s ... ml?mcubz=0

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:00 pm
by Big RR
It's sad that we are all potential targets, but hiding is not the answer IMHO. Maybe it comes from my upbringing where we all knew it could be nuclear winter in a few minutes (and many of us, including myself, thought it was inevitable); where we huddled under out desks or in the hall in "Take Cover" drills, and where air raid sirens were tested every weekend, but I think we just have to muddle on and accept the risk. Of course don't be stupid about it, but like it or not this is the only life we're gong to have.

FWIW, I'm going to be in Barcelona at the end of the month; I'll avoid demonstrations as much as I can, but I won't let the crap going on change my plans.

Jim, thanks for the update.

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:02 pm
by Crackpot
The guy that sits next to me at work is in vegas at the moment. No word yet

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:13 pm
by Bicycle Bill
Big RR wrote:And it does appear that he was shooting one or more fully automatic weapons, weapons that are illegal in all 50 states except under very strict circumstances (as I recall, only older automatic weapons (manufactured before some time in the 60s as I recall) can be acquired and then only through a specially licensed dealer and only after an extensive background check; they cannot be sold privately or given away (even to family members) and you must have a specially licensed dealer designated to receive the automatic weapon on your death (you cannot will it to anyone either, at least without going through the red tape of a transfer and background check). Automatic weapons owned by the public are, thus, very limited and very expensive. My guess is that it will turn out he used illegally acquired automatic weapons (and mere possession of such are punishable by lengthy federal prison terms).
OK, so he's a bad boy, a very bad boy who (at the time of this posting, allegedly) used illegal full-auto weapons, weapons on which there are already restrictions.  But he had to have gotten them from somewhere/someone.  And isn't it possible for someone with sufficient knowledge — and the appropriate tools and components — to take a semi-automatic 'assault rifle' (like an AR-15, that is capable of using easily-switched high-capacity magazines) and, much like 'jail-breaking' the early iPhones, make the modifications to the weapon that would make it capable of fully-automatic fire?

Not to mention — this does not sound like he was using a handgun or even an easily-concealed machine pistol like a German MP40 or an Uzi.  So how did he get his chosen weapons and what must have been literally hundreds, if not thousands, of rounds of ammunition into his 32nd floor firing point?  Nobody in the hotel got even the least bit suspicious?
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Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:24 pm
by Lord Jim
Not to mention — this does not sound like he was using a handgun or even an easily-concealed machine pistol like a German MP40 or an Uzi. So how did he get his chosen weapons and what must have been literally hundreds, if not thousands, of rounds of ammunition into his 32nd floor firing point? Nobody in the hotel got even the least bit suspicious?
Bill, the guy planned this out very meticulously, (apparently he even had a surveillance camera set-up outside his room so he could see when the SWAT team was closing in.)

He checked into the hotel last Thursday; since that time he could have gone in and out numerous times with shoulder bags and duffle bags, without anyone noticing anything that looked unusual or suspicious; it's a huge hotel with thousands of guest rooms and a couple of dozen elevators:
Mandalay Bay has 3,309 hotel rooms, 24 elevators and a casino of 135,000 square feet
Sneaking in 10 rifles, (he could have carried some of them in in a golf club bag; a very common sight at Las Vegas hotels) and hundreds of rounds of ammunition over a four day period without doing anything that would look out of the ordinary would not have been difficult at all...

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:35 pm
by Big RR
and with over 3300 rooms (and an open to the public casino) and people coming and going at all hours, it would be next to impossible to screen everyone entering and leaving to check what is going in and out (unless you wanted a line down the strip).

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:39 pm
by BoSoxGal
I’m a homebody anyway, always have been - and while I enjoyed concerts in my youth, I’ve become averse to large crowds the older I’ve gotten. So it’s no hardship for me to avoid most of the places these events occur.

When gunmen start mowing down people on beaches and in nature preserves, then I’ll be suffering.

I’m at the Dr.’s office and they have this news on the TV in the waiting room - I’m expecting my BP to be off the charts.

Re: Death and Terror On The Strip...

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:42 pm
by Lord Jim
Big RR wrote:and with over 3300 rooms (and an open to the public casino) and people coming and going at all hours, it would be next to impossible to screen everyone entering and leaving to check what is going in and out (unless you wanted a line down the strip).
And then multiply that by all the other mega-hotels in the area...

The idea that you could have people going through metal detectors and bag checks every time they walked in to one of these hotels would be a logistical impossibility....