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Liberal Justice is that you lie down and die and let the thug do to you whatever he wants.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc ... -1.3513662

Harlem deli worker charged with murder after fatally stabbing man who tried to attack him behind counter

Ahmad Hafeed, a Harlem deli clerk, has been charged with murder after allegedly fatally stabbed a 46-year-old man who tried to jump the counter and attack him Friday.
(Obtained by Daily News)
BY Kerry Burke Molly Crane-newman Esha Ray Thomas Tracy
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 3:21 AM
A Harlem deli clerk was charged with murder Friday after fatally stabbing a man relatives say was a serial shoplifter, sending him running down the street with a knife still stuck in his gut.
The drama began simply enough around 7 a.m. Friday at the A&S Candy Grocery on W. 145th St. near Lenox Ave. with an argument involving two men and the clerk. The men threatened Ahmad Hafeed, a 22-year-old store employee, and then stormed off.
Police said the two men returned to the store around 9 a.m. One of them, a 46-year-old man, had a knife and slashed at Hafeed as he stood behind the counter. Hafeed backed away and grabbed his own knife. He ran from behind the counter to confront the two men, surveillance video shows.
During the struggle, Hafeed, a native of Yemen, stabbed his would-be attacker several times in the midsection before the man broke free and ran from the store — the blade still sticking out of his stomach

NY Post is hardly a bastion of liberal philosophy.

Burning Petard wrote:NY Post is hardly a bastion of liberal philosophy.

Being owned by Rupert Murdoch, as it is.


yrs,
rubato

I suppose it's safer in LA?

NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune

Louisiana had the highest murder rate per capita among all states in the country last year, a streak the state has maintained every year since 1989, according to new data released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation on Monday (Sept. 26).

The state's high murder rate figured as one of several metrics in data that showed murders throughout the United States jumped by 10.8 percent from 2014 to 2015--the largest percentage increase since 1971.

Calculated as murders per 100,000 people, the FBI's murder rate marks a key metric in the agency's 2015 Uniform Crime Report, released on Monday.

Aside from murders, the annual report also compiles data for other violent crimes--rapes, robberies and aggravated assaults--property crimes, weapons types, victim profiles and demographic analysis. The report categorizes data according to national, state and local jurisdictions.

Louisiana logged 10.3 murders per 100,000 people in 2015, up slightly from 10.2 in 2014. That rate placed the state higher than Mississippi but lower than both the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, for which the FBI also keeps data.
Rate by State
Murder and Non-negligent Murder per 100,000
2015
2014
Louisiana
10.3
10.2
Mississippi
8.7
8.7
Maryland
8.6
6.1
South Carolina
8.1
6.7
Alaska
8
5.6
Alabama
7.2
5.7
Nevada
6.2
6
Tennessee
6.2
5.6
Georgia
6
6
Wash., D.C.
24.1
15.9
Puerto Rico
16.8
19.3
FBI UCR (2015)
In all, Louisiana logged 481 murders in a total population of 4,670,724 people in 2015, according to the FBI. That's up from 476 in 2014, but far fewer than the state's 874 murders in 1993.
With the number of murders in New Orleans ring from 150 in 2014 to 164 in 2015, the city claimed the nation's fourth-highest murder rate among major metropolitan areas. New Orleans logged 41.7 murders per 100,000 people, sandwiched between Detroit and Milwaukee.

It is late and I am sleepy, but let me take the time to clarify: A poor immigrant, a person that liberals are supposed to care about, is attacked at his work place by a thug and is then charged with murder for defending himself. Is that clear enough? Is that your idea of justice? I don’t care where the immigrant is from right is right and wrong is wrong.
And it doesn’t matter the source of the info as long as it is true. There are several sources.

If it was truly self defense I don't see it as justice. There are conflicting stories. One was whether the now-dead attacker was armed. Some of the news stories say the attacker was armed with a knife and the storekeeper also had a knife, others say he was unarmed and the only knife belonged to the storekeeper, and yet others say the attacker was stabbed with his own knife.

The other issue is that once the fight spilled out into the street it may not have been a self defense situation anymore.

There is a line that can be crossed between self defense and becoming the aggressor. Once the attacker runs, you can't continue the fight.

Note that I am not taking either side here. I don't have enough information.

And even though I'm probably labelled a "liberal" I am totally OK with two of my friends NOT being charged with assault after beating the snot out of car prowlers. Even though, per the law, they could have been charged since it was NOT self defense.

I agree, we need a lot more information before we can say whether it was justifiable self defense or not. He may have been defending himself, or he may have just been sick and tired of someone giving him a hard time and then pulled out his knife. Hopefully the investigation will turn up more, but the fact that he was charged makes me believe the Post is not reporting the entire story.

In the interest of accuracy, the story in the OP is actually from The NY Daily News, not The NY Post...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc ... -1.3513662

Harlem deli worker charged with murder after fatally stabbing man who tried to attack him behind counter

Ahmad Hafeed, a Harlem deli clerk, has been charged with murder after allegedly fatally stabbed a 46-year-old man who tried to jump the counter and attack him Friday.
(Obtained by Daily News)
BY Kerry Burke Molly Crane-newman Esha Ray Thomas Tracy
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 3:21 AM

The Daily News is another sensationalist tabloid, but it's not owned by Rupert Murdoch (In fact it's very anti-Trump)

In the end, that's why we have a justice system. There will presumably be a trial at which the facts will be aired and 12 people will decide if he should in fact be punished. We don't know the details so let's give the system a chance.

Good point Jim, the Daily News (I knew I should have looked at the link) is unrelated to Murdoch, although I think it is addressed primarily to the same readership as the Post. Indeed, the general thinking was people buy the News in the morning and the Post on the way home (although I do not know if the Post is still only an afternoon daily. the tabloid format made it easy to read on subways while standing or sitting.

This is New York City, where lying by police officers, under oath, is routine and can even get you promoted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/nyre ... g-him.html?
rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fnyregion&action=click&contentCollection=nyregion&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront

Arrest under that system is merely a starting point in bringing pressure on the individual. Arrested rarely go to trial. They plead guilty to a 'lesser charge' just to get out of the process, which includes long jail time under very unpleasant conditions (remember, at this point they are assumed not guilty) because one cannot make bail. The jail time cuts off much of the personal relationships of the accused and makes them even more desperate to get out, whatever it takes.

snailgate

The description of the event leaves room for interpretation. If he stabbed the robber after pursuing him there is a question of whether it could legitimately be called self-defense.



yrs,
Rubato

rubato wrote:The description of the event leaves room for interpretation. If he stabbed the robber after pursuing him there is a question of whether it could legitimately be called self-defense.

Thugs liked to push their weight around abuse people it give them a feeling of power. The thug had been arrested thirty times for assault. So, here is a little formula to help you understand what makes the world a better place:

Thugs attacks +thug dies = good outcome




yrs,
Rubato

Those are my words not Rubato’s ; as a matter of fact, I have never seen him screw up.
Rub please accept my apologies, other than that I don’t know what to say ; If I had seen it I wouldn’t have done it.

liberty wrote:

rubato wrote:The description of the event leaves room for interpretation. If he stabbed the robber after pursuing him there is a question of whether it could legitimately be called self-defense.

Thugs liked to push their weight around abuse people it give them a feeling of power. The thug had been arrested thirty times for assault. So, here is a little formula to help you understand what makes the world a better place:

Thugs attacks +thug dies = good outcome




yrs,
Rubato

You should post your own words *outside* the quote of someone else’s words.

Good point, BSG - I put it down to incompetence rather than malice.

lib... "liberal justice" is usually the notion that some airy-fairy judge has given a vicious criminal a let-off because he (or she) hasn't had much of a chance in life and will do better at an open university than in jail.

So why "liberal justice" when the case here is the reverse - someone you think is justified in killing an other person yet is arrested for it? You seem to want to apply the term no matter what the circumstances; even contradictory ones.

And we haven't reached "justice" yet anyway. There is a case to answer - the answer will provide the occasion to complain about the "justness" of the decision.