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I’m going out on a limb to predict the shooter is an angry white American.

Death toll thus far: 27
Other casualties: 24

More to come . . .

A very odd denomination of worshipers. I'm having a hard time wondering why a Harley-Davidson motorcycle is so prominently displayed at the altar. Of course, that doesn't alter the impact of a mass murder.

Welcome to our new normal.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sutherland ... at-church/

26-year old dishonorably discharged Air Force veteran, from the news I heard so far. And yes, white.

We need to deport some more brown people - those jihadis are the real threat to our peaceable society.

datsunaholic wrote:26-year old dishonorably discharged Air Force veteran, from the news I heard so far. And yes, white.

...so, already prohibited from owning a gun, as I recall.

Apparently so.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 specifically prohibits Dishonorable Dischargees from owning firearms.

It said he served from 2010-2014 and was Court-Martialled in May 2014.

When did this right —

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

trump these rights??

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I'm eagerly awaiting an answer.

Bicycle Bill wrote:When did this right —

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

trump these rights??

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I'm eagerly awaiting an answer.

Well, one is written into law in the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

The other is in a "FU" letter to King George, and isn't legally binding.

datsunaholic wrote:Well, one is written into law in the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

The other is in a "FU" letter to King George, and isn't legally binding.

The truth is still the truth, whether it is carved in the stone tablets Moses brought down from Mt. Sinai or written in the sand on the ocean's shore.

-"BB"-

I will go out on a limb and say the shooter is a white liberal who hates Southern Baptist and Christians; Which is an attitude, I believe is a common attitude among liberals. Or, it could be revenge for the black church of a couple years ago. There have been some minor revenge attacks.

I deleted my original post because I forgot the seriousness of this thread and went off on a rambling nonsensical thing.....

liberty wrote:I will go out on a limb and say the shooter is a white liberal who hates Southern Baptist and Christians; Which is an attitude, I believe is a common attitude among liberals. Or, it could be revenge for the black church of a couple years ago. There have been some minor revenge attacks.

Not really much of a limb there. The right wing media is already spreading unsourced rumors that he was an atheist antifa member.

The guy was a sack of shit. It doesn't matter what his political leanings were.

Bicycle Bill wrote:
The truth is still the truth, whether it is carved in the stone tablets Moses brought down from Mt. Sinai or written in the sand on the ocean's shore.

-"BB"-

Perhaps. Actually I agree with you. Yet no one thought it necessary to write it into the law of the land. And the Government often takes away those things from its citizens, even in cases where no one was being harmed.

datsunaholic wrote:

liberty wrote:I will go out on a limb and say the shooter is a white liberal who hates Southern Baptist and Christians; Which is an attitude, I believe is a common attitude among liberals. Or, it could be revenge for the black church of a couple years ago. There have been some minor revenge attacks.

Not really much of a limb there. The right wing media is already spreading unsourced rumors that he was an atheist antifa member.

The guy was a sack of shit. It doesn't matter what his political leanings were.

No argument there. I can't wait to read about his personal history in the upcoming hours and days.

It would have been so much sweeter had he committed suicide BEFORE he went to church.

datsunaholic wrote:

liberty wrote:I will go out on a limb and say the shooter is a white liberal who hates Southern Baptist and Christians; Which is an attitude, I believe is a common attitude among liberals. Or, it could be revenge for the black church of a couple years ago. There have been some minor revenge attacks.

Not really much of a limb there. The right wing media is already spreading unsourced rumors that he was an atheist antifa member.

The guy was a sack of shit. It doesn't matter what his political leanings were.

I agree murdering people in a house of God is about as close to shit as human can get. Under my belief system it is a direct path to hell; no forgiveness is possible. It is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

datsunaholic wrote:Apparently so.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 specifically prohibits Dishonorable Dischargees from owning firearms.

It said he served from 2010-2014 and was Court-Martialled in May 2014.

He had a bad conduct discharge, so no prohibition against gun possession based in that.

The bad conduct discharge was based on court martial convictions for assault against his wife and child; convictions of this type under state law result in federal prohibition against gun ownership or possession, but I don’t know if that applies to military convictions.

Depends on the State as to whether they consider that the same as a felony.

News reports were stating a DD, but that it often confused with a BCD.

It isn’t about a felony, it’s about domestic violence. This was part of the VAWA legislation and is universal - bodily harm domestic violence convictions in any state, even at the misdemeanor level, result in federal firearms prohibition. I am well versed in this matter from my years in criminal law; as a prosecutor I often referred cases to the US Attorney for prosecution under the provision when an abuser with a prior conviction was found in possession - it’s an automatic 5 year federal prison term which greatly exceeds the pathetic punishments available under state law for beating a wife or lover short of permanent disfigurement - which is the felony bar in Montana (or three prior convictions).

I'll bet the fat white slob belonged to ISIS.

We need more thorough vetting.

Stop the world, I want to get off.

BSG, I'll defer to your knowledge on that- I knew that domestic violence convictions was pretty much an automatic federal firearms prohibition, but I wasn't sure it was an absolute. In any case, the question still remains if that conviction via court-martial was entered into the system. Because he was able to buy the gun last year- the sale was registered in his name, apparently.