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Doesn’t this make you proud to be a football fan? This is the kind of people you all have in football:

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/ ... 860174001/

Tennessee State football player punches coach on the sideline, gets kicked off the team
Mike Organ, USA TODAY NETWORK - Tennessee Published 4:31 p.m. CT Nov. 13, 2017 | Updated 4:19 p.m. CT Nov. 15, 2017

Tennessee State defensive end Latrelle Lee knocked strength coach T.J. Greenstone to the ground during the game against Southeast Missouri at Hale Stadium. USA TODAY NETWORK-Tennessee
Tennessee State defensive end Latrelle Lee was dismissed from the team and expelled from school Saturday night after he hit Tigers head strength coach T.J. Greenstone twice in the head and knocked him to the turf on the sideline.
TSU athletics director Teresa Phillips confirmed to The Tennessean that coach Rod Reed kicked Lee, a senior from Dothan, Ala., off the team.
Lee, 22, was expelled from the university on Monday.

The incident occurred during the Tigers' game against Southeast Missouri at Hale Stadium. TSU won the game 23-20.
During games, Greenstone, a former Vanderbilt football player, is charged with keeping players who aren't in the game from getting too close to the sideline to avoid a penalty.
The Tigers offense was on the field at the time as Greenstone walked down the sideline telling players to move back if they were too close. Lee is seen in videos hitting Greenstone twice on the side of his head.
Greenstone falls to the ground after being punched.
Lee, 6-foot-2, 240 pounds, was majoring in criminal justice. In 2016 he made the Ohio Valley Conference Commissioner's Honor Roll.
He started in two games this season and six last season. He played in a total of 16 games during his freshman and sophomore seasons.
He did not play in Saturday's game.
Lee recorded a total of 18 tackles including 3.5 for loss this season.
Greenstone, who played defensive tackle at Vanderbilt (2007-2011), is in his fourth season at TSU. He was named the program's coordinator of strength and conditioning in August 2016 after spending two years as the assistant coordinator.

Well lib, just as in any other field of human endeavor, in pro football (or in this case, major NCAA collegiate football) you have assholes, and you have decent people...

And, again like any other field of human endeavor, thankfully, the decent people vastly outnumber the assholes...

(Though decent behavior, being the norm rather than the exception, never attracts as much media attention as the asshole behavior...)

You've chosen to highlight a story about an asshole, (which is fine) but when you say this:

This is the kind of people you all have in football

You seem to be implying that this sort of asshole conduct is broadly representative of the behavior of football players generally...

Has their been an epidemic of players punching out their coaches?

If so, I'm not aware of it...

ETA:

I responded before I saw your "poll"...

And you really wonder why there are so many people here who think you're a racist...

You think that's bad?!?!?!

What about what happens in REAL football.

A Suffolk beer company brewed up a storm on Twitter by singing the praises of its county's rival football team.



Adnams had challenged Twitter followers to a treasure hunt around Norwich, including at "Carrow Road - home to the mighty Norwich City FC".

It sparked a backlash from Ipswich Town fans, who accused Adnams, based in Southwold, of "betrayal".



Adnams spokeswoman said Liz Cobbold said the tweet was written by someone who does not understand football.

The tweet was among several directing followers to the whereabouts of Ghostie, a beer bottle character giving away beer vouchers as it wandered around the city.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-42043616

Latrelle Lee: Goodbye Pro football career... hello retail.

RayThom wrote:Latrelle Lee: Goodbye Pro football career... hello retail.

Sorr, Ray — gotta take issue with that.  Meet Latrell Sprewell.



Latrell Sprewell, in case you had forgotten, is the NBA player who, in 1997, attacked and threatened to kill his coach.  While a player with the Golden State Warriors, Sprewell snapped during a practice — not a crucial game where playoff berths were on the line and a case could perhaps be made that uncontrollable emotions briefly ran wild, but a practice — choking P.J. Carlesimo after the coach yelled at Sprewell to make crisper passes.  Sprewell responded by telling Carlesimo he wasn't in the mood for criticism and warned the coach to keep his distance.  When Carlesimo approached, Sprewell threatened to kill him before dragging him to the ground by his throat, and kept his hands on Carlesimo's throat for 10-15 seconds before the other players tore him away.

Sprewell left the court but returned about 20 minutes later and punched Carlesimo, landing a glancing blow before again being dragged away.  The Warriors suspended Sprewell for 10 days, but changed course the next day and voided the remaining three years and $23.7 million left on his contract.  NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Sprewell for 82 games before an arbitrator reduced the sentence to 68 games, costing Sprewell $6.4 million and his shoe deal with Converse.

Sprewell deemed the punishment too harsh.  "I wasn't choking P.J. that hard," Sprewell told '60 Minutes'.  "I mean, he could breathe."

So he's out of the NBA, right?  Wrong.  He may have been persona non grata with Golden State, but that didn't stop the NY Knicks from trading for him after his suspension had been served.  He continued to play in the league, first with the Knicks and then with the Minnesota Timberwolves until his retirement at the end of the 2004-05 season.

So I'm afraid I have to side with liberty on this one.  The coach will be fired, demoted, or otherwise disciplined; even if he survives and retains his position he will no doubt have to make a formal apology to Lee.  Lee, for his part, will either be reinstated at TSU, allowed back onto the team, and all references to this will be expunged, or he will be given a special exemption to the NCAA's transfer rule should he choose to hire himself out to a different football program attend a different school.

-"BB"-

Shoot Latrelle. I saw him reach into his waistband.

Yea it is the all mighty god of sport that matters not some weird of right and wrong thing. Here is what I think happened. The coach was going down the line moving the players back away from the line trying to avoid a penalty by having too many players on the field. The coach was saying something like get back in place away from the line; what the player heard was back in your place boy or maybe nxxga. So naturally he couldn’t let a white man dis him; he had to punch him out to show he is a man. He heard something disrespectful and racist because that he was expecting to hear. Was it really his fault?

As I see it, even if the coach had been disrespectful that did not justify hitting. If a player has a problem with a coach he should file a grievance. But, for some people violence is their first response.

Lord Jim wrote:
I responded before I saw your "poll"...

And you really wonder why there are so many people here who think you're a racist...

Well Jim I don’t give a damn what people think about me; I care about what I think of me. I do care about what my friend think, but if they don’t see me the way I see myself they don't remain my friends. If I was racist you would damn well know it you wouldn’t have to guess, it would be nxxga this and nxxga that. But I don’t think there are inferior races.

However, there are inferior cultures and any place where kids can’t play in their front yard without fear of being shot is an Inferior culture.

This thread is not about race it is about culture. The culture of football where winning is the only thing that matters and the American culture and especially the culture of certain elements of the black community where violence often is too prevalent.

Do black men only hit white men when racism is involved?

You can only see the world in black and white. Although you do seem to have the ability to recognize things that are colored.

Joe Guy wrote:Do black men only hit white men when racism is involved?

No, but that is what I think happen here. Sometimes they do it for fun like in the case of the knockout game. But on topix, I have read were blacks referred to football and sport in general as a sort of slave plantation.
You can only see the world in black and white. Although you do seem to have the ability to recognize things that are colored.

I try hard to see the world as it really is not as I want to see it. That is why I think we will in the next generation or if not sooner fight and loses the arctic war with Russia.

You think that's bad?!?!?!....

I understand a major scandal rocked the cricket world recently when a player went up to his team's Assistant Coach For Standing Around Doing Nothing and mocked him for using his salad fork for the fish course during a recent game's lunch break...

Gave the cricket sports scribes something to write about for weeks...

Lord Jim wrote:

You think that's bad?!?!?!....

I understand a major scandal rocked the cricket world recently when a player went up to his team's Assistant Coach For Standing Around Doing Nothing and mocked him for using his salad fork for the fish course during a recent game's lunch break...

Gave the cricket sports scribes something to write about for weeks...

That just shows how little you know about the wonderful game of cricket, LJ. As usual you are talking through your ass. It was the other way around: he used the fish fork for the salad. Get it right. I suppose that's what they told you on Faux News . . .

Sorry EKA, I should have read the story more closely...my bad...


Bill:

The coach will be fired, demoted, or otherwise disciplined; even if he survives and retains his position he will no doubt have to make a formal apology

Bill, why do you believe that is going to happen, when none of those things happened in the Sprewell case that you cite?

In the Sprewell case, after initially under reacting, the Warriors ultimately did almost everything they should. They canned him, voided his contract, and Carlisimo never faced any discipline. (I say "almost", because they should have called the cops and Sprewell should have been charged with felony assault.)

Shame on the NBA for letting him back in the league...

I don't know if "shame" is proper; I'm all for second chances--sometimes they work out, sometimes not. I don't follow basketball closely, but I do not recall ever hearing him doing anything like that again, so maybe he learned his lesson. In a world where a drunk surgeon removing the wrong leg can get his license back, letting a player who hit a coach back into the league doesn't seem all that bad.

So I'm afraid I have to side with liberty on this one. The coach will be fired, demoted, or otherwise disciplined; even if he survives and retains his position he will no doubt have to make a formal apology to Lee.

LJ, Bill fell for lib's racist "Fire the coach" or "Fire the coach" poll options. He offers no evidence that the coach did anything wrong (though he may have - it's not known). Instead, lib wants the white guy to be "in the wrong" no matter what, merely to justify his race obsession

This is a demonstration of the National Religion of America--sports. If God does it, it is by definition ok. Only atheists argue against this truism.
Whatever individual athletes in your particular denomination (College Football in Alabama, High School Football in Texas,College Basketball in Indiana, NFL in the locales where those teams are worshipped) should do anything generally discouraged among the laity (ordinary people) It is acceptable behavior because those athletes are gods.

snailgate

MajGenl.Meade wrote:

So I'm afraid I have to side with liberty on this one. The coach will be fired, demoted, or otherwise disciplined; even if he survives and retains his position he will no doubt have to make a formal apology to Lee.

LJ, Bill fell for lib's racist "Fire the coach" or "Fire the coach" poll options. He offers no evidence that the coach did anything wrong (though he may have - it's not known). Instead, lib wants the white guy to be "in the wrong" no matter what, merely to justify his race obsession

Geez, do you really think it is a serious poll? It is an attention device; it is supposed to be provocative. But, I reckon one must first be able to think clearly before one’s thinking can be stimulated.

Burning Petard wrote:This is a demonstration of the National Religion of America--sports. If God does it, it is by definition ok. Only atheists argue against this truism.
Whatever individual athletes in your particular denomination (College Football in Alabama, High School Football in Texas,College Basketball in Indiana, NFL in the locales where those teams are worshipped) should do anything generally discouraged among the laity (ordinary people) It is acceptable behavior because those athletes are gods.

snailgate

Amen somebody gets it, but that is only part of what is wrong with the culture of the US.

I heard a coach for "fat men falling over" (aka American football,) expected a player to play for nearly four minutes in a three hour match, that's a sacking offence.

Lord Jim wrote:Bill:

The coach will be fired, demoted, or otherwise disciplined; even if he survives and retains his position he will no doubt have to make a formal apology

Bill, why do you believe that is going to happen, when none of those things happened in the Sprewell case that you cite?

In the Sprewell case, after initially under reacting, the Warriors ultimately did almost everything they should. They canned him, voided his contract, and Carlisimo never faced any discipline. (I say "almost", because they should have called the cops and Sprewell should have been charged with felony assault.)

Shame on the NBA for letting him back in the league...

Because the university has to show that 'We Are Taking This Seriously', and the only way to do that is to make an example of someone.  So even if Lee's expulsion from the school stands, especially once the BTLM – Black Thugs' Lives Matter – group gets wound up (and I'm surprised they aren't already all over this like maggots on a dead dog), the coach is still the sacrificial lamb.

-"BB"-