Too Lenient A Sentence...

[Lord Jim]

But I suppose it will have to do until we bring back horse whipping:

Judge sentences Dr. Larry Nassar to 40 to 175 years in prison

LANSING, Mich --
The former sports doctor who admitted molesting some of the nation's top gymnasts for years was sentenced Wednesday to 40 to 175 years in prison as the judge declared: "I just signed your death warrant."

The sentence capped a remarkable seven-day hearing in which scores of Larry Nassar's victims were able to confront him face to face in a Michigan courtroom.

Judge Rosemarie Aquilina said Nassar's "decision to assault was precise, calculated, manipulative, devious, despicable."

"It is my honor and privilege to sentence you. You do not deserve to walk outside a prison ever again. You have done nothing to control those urges and anywhere you walk, destruction will occur to those most vulnerable."

Nassar found competitive gymnastics to be a "perfect place" for his crimes because victims saw him as a "god" in the sport, a prosecutor said Wednesday, shortly before the former doctor was to be sentenced for years of molesting Olympic gymnasts and other young women.

"It takes some kind of sick perversion to not only assault a child but to do so with her parent in the room," prosecutor Angela Povilaitis said. "To do so while a lineup of eager young gymnasts waited."

She described the "breadth and ripple" of Nassar's sexual abuse as "nearly infinite."

"What does it say about our society that victims of sexual abuse have to hide their pain for years when they did nothing wrong? What does it say about our society when victims do come forward ... and are treated as liars until proven true?" Povilaitis said.

http://abc30.com/judge-sentences-dr-lar ... n/2984087/

I've been aware of this case, (though I haven't followed it all that closely) but I watched the sentencing hearing today and it was really gripping, (and enraging, and heartbreaking)

I hope a rigorous and thorough investigation is conducted to determine if anyone else (with the Olympic team, the university, etc) was aware of this piece of garbage's behavior and either looked the other way or covered it up...

And if so, that the book is thrown at them as well...

[Crackpot]

The writing on the wall around here says the fallout has just begun. Many people will be at the minimum losing thier jobs over this. (At least as far as the university goes.) I wouldn’t trust anything to do with the olympics to operate on any level of ethics tho.

[Scooter]

I think someone's autocorrect has been making word salad again.

[Crackpot]

Probably

[ex-khobar Andy]

I wish I didn't think that there are too many who get away with this kind of assholery with impunity or, if convicted, with a much lesser sentence, because their victims are not as famous or photogenic or articulate as Nassar's. Harvey Weinstein did nothing that men in his situation of power have not done since the dawn of time - there is a reason that about 8% of men in Eastern Asia have Genghis Khan in their DNA - and Weinstein has been dismantled and dismissed. To connect with another thread - I remarked in the Women's March topic that there were large numbers of older people on the march, and I was specifically thinking of the older women in their seventies and eighties, wearing pussy hats. My belief is that many of them joined the workforce when this sort of thing was routine and not (at least as we now hope) an outlier, and they had no recourse (no friendly HR department, no legal remedies) but to suck it up. The meme of the boss chasing his secretary around the desk was constant and may even have been enabling to some. Bearing in mind that I started work in the sixties and I would say that I was reasonably in a position to see this sort of behavior if it existed by the mid-seventies, I would say it was not commonplace. But even if 99% of men did not behave like this, the 1% that did were (and are) enough to make life miserable for many women.

Not too lenient a sentence for Nassar: but you have to wonder how many people at US Gymnastics or UoMichigan knew or suspected this was happening. And if they did, were they too much in awe of the success of his methods ("We have all these medals - it ain't broke - don't try to fix it") and therefore turned a blind eye? It appears that this was the lesson from Joe Paterno and Penn State or (in a British context) Jimmy Savile who was a very successful disk jockey type who had a sideline in heavily publicized charitable work which appears to have been a cover for sexual depravity of the worst kind with children and hospital patients.

[Crackpot]

::Cough:: Michigan State University .:cough::

[RayThom]

Looking at Dr. Nasty's outward behavior over the last few day I feel it would be prudent to put him on suicide watch once he's returned to prison. Very unstable... and not a genius.

[BoSoxGal]

I wish I didn't think that there are too many who get away with this kind of assholery with impunity or, if convicted, with a much lesser sentence, because their victims are not as famous or photogenic or articulate as Nassar's. Harvey Weinstein did nothing that men in his situation of power have not done since the dawn of time - there is a reason that about 8% of men in Eastern Asia have Genghis Khan in their DNA - and Weinstein has been dismantled and dismissed. To connect with another thread - I remarked in the Women's March topic that there were large numbers of older people on the march, and I was specifically thinking of the older women in their seventies and eighties, wearing pussy hats. My belief is that many of them joined the workforce when this sort of thing was routine and not (at least as we now hope) an outlier, and they had no recourse (no friendly HR department, no legal remedies) but to suck it up. The meme of the boss chasing his secretary around the desk was constant and may even have been enabling to some. Bearing in mind that I started work in the sixties and I would say that I was reasonably in a position to see this sort of behavior if it existed by the mid-seventies, I would say it was not commonplace. But even if 99% of men did not behave like this, the 1% that did were (and are) enough to make life miserable for many women.

Not too lenient a sentence for Nassar: but you have to wonder how many people at US Gymnastics or UoMichigan knew or suspected this was happening. And if they did, were they too much in awe of the success of his methods ("We have all these medals - it ain't broke - don't try to fix it") and therefore turned a blind eye? It appears that this was the lesson from Joe Paterno and Penn State or (in a British context) Jimmy Savile who was a very successful disk jockey type who had a sideline in heavily publicized charitable work which appears to have been a cover for sexual depravity of the worst kind with children and hospital patients.

Sadly you’re very off the mark in your comments; sexual harassment is far from an outlier today, it’s still very commonplace. That’s the whole point of the #metoo and #timesup movement; to make people like you understand that this didn’t go away just because women are now more than 50% of university enrollees and breaking into all professions. Here’s just one source, you could spend an hour on Google and read many more supporting the numbers.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6713814

[ex-khobar Andy]

Per BSG:

Sadly you’re very off the mark in your comments; sexual harassment is far from an outlier today, it’s still very commonplace. That’s the whole point of the #metoo and #timesup movement; to make people like you understand that this didn’t go away just because women are now more than 50% of university enrollees and breaking into all professions. Here’s just one source, you could spend an hour on Google and read many more supporting the numbers.

The problem with a statistic like that (one in three women report sexual harassment at work) is that it translates in many people's minds as one in three guys are assholes. If you have one guy in a 200-person office in a corner cubicle who leers - stares - comments inappropriately at one person a week you could have 50% of the women in the office believing justifiably that they have been harassed. I spent 30 years as director of a lab operation (highly technical - most employees with bachelor's degrees, many with master's or PhDs) and I can honestly say that the pay was gender-blind. In that time I had six reports to me of unethical behavior, one report of religious harassment (basically two born-agains picking on a Mormon), and one of sexual harassment. I think I was fairly approachable which is consistent with the reports I did get. The one SH report I got was essentially: George is making Alison uncomfortable because he keeps asking her out and she is not interested - it was from her friends, not from Alison herself. I talked to Alison - do you need me to step in here? I did not say that her friends had told me about it. She told me that now she knew that I was watching, she could tell
George to knock it off. AFAIK it ended there. Over that thirty years I have had an average of about 50 people reporting to me of which more than half have been women. If I look back on my top 5 supervisors every year (I have some records I have kept) there have always been at least two and sometimes four who were women. I don't have time to check all my records, but I have probably had 100 women reporting to me in that time. If (per the HuffPost link) 30% of sexual harassment is reported, then the one instance I have represents four or five cases. That's four or five too many; but I think it bolsters my point that few men now engage in this sort of behavior. Few is not zero; and of course I am talking about an industry I have experience of.

I certainly did not mean, and I don't think I said, that sexual harassment per se is an outlier. I was talking about the sort of behavior we have seen from Weinstein, Nassar, Savile, Sandusky et al which is so clearly criminal and worthy of long sentences.

[ex-khobar Andy]

::Cough:: Michigan State University .:cough::

Apologies for getting that wrong. I see that university president Dr Simon has resigned. Seems to me that there should be more: maybe the athletics director at least.