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United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:15 am
by Gob
A dog has died on a United Airlines flight after an attendant forced the animal’s owner to put the pet in the cabin’s overhead bin. The airline said it was taking full responsibility.
On United Flight 1284 from Houston to New York on Monday, a woman who was flying with children and a small dog was pressured by a flight attendant to put her dog in overhead storage during the three-and-a-half-hour flight.
According to fellow passenger Maggie Gremminger, the woman wanted to keep the dog, which was in a small carrying bag, under her seat, but the flight attendant insisted that she put the animal overhead.
“At the end of the flight, the woman found her dog, deceased. She sat in the airplane aisle on the floor crying, and all of surrounding passengers were utterly stunned,” Gremminger wrote in a series of tweets alongside a picture of the woman and her children.
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Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:36 am
by BoSoxGal
That couldn’t be airline policy - how fucking stupid was the air steward?! There is no oxygen source in the overhead compartments - it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure THAT out!
It was a 3 hour flight - WTF?!?!
That poor, poor mother & kids.

Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:21 pm
by Big RR
Actually, I never thought the overhead bins were airtight--more like dresser drawers where can come in and out. That being said, in the winter when they are full of coats as well as carry on bags, I could see where a carrier jammed into the bin could not have much air, and demanding that someone put a live animal there is ridiculous. And add to that that the dog was a bulldog, which most airlines (not sure about United) will not allow to fly because of the snub nosed face and breathing problems; it makes exiling him to the overhead bin ever worse.
And yesterday I heard on the news that United sent a dog in a checked carrier to Japan instead of a California to Kansas City flight; the airline apologized and made some comment about the rare incidence of misplaced luggage. Come on, this is a live animal, not someone's shorts--you'd think they'd pay more attention to where it goes.
So much for the Friendly Skies.
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:22 pm
by Scooter
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:24 pm
by Big RR
Edited
Scooter, sad but true.
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:28 pm
by Crackpot
Interesting double post there
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:35 pm
by Big RR
thanks CP, I fixed it--I thought it didn't post the first time; an erudite post, but hardy worth reading twice

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Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:54 pm
by Bicycle Bill
To be fair, Scooter, filing a bill is not the same as passing a law ... it's just the first step. And haven't there been any number of gun control bills proposed over the years, almost all of which have been successfully blocked, stonewalled, died in committee, or been thwarted by other means and gone exactly nowhere?
The main point, however, is duly noted. Countless shootings over decades, and the lawmakers are still dragging their feet. One dog, one time, and there's immediate action.
-"BB"-
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:03 pm
by Big RR
I agree BB, but when the school shootings occur, the politicians generally say something like "We have to look into how to stop this", when something like the dog dying occurs, they say "We have to stop repetitions of this". I am sure there are some who would like to act more quickly in response to the shootings, and I agree acting quickly is not always the best way to decide on legislation, but face it, politicians love to sponsor sills like this--ones that can be approved without much thought or debate. My comment has to do with the urgency Sen Kennedy gave to getting the bill introduced because "pets are family"; aren't children as well? It would be nice to see some of the same urgency directed to solving the school shooting problem, but we won't see that--the furor will die down and the issue will be shelved until the next time.
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:34 pm
by Crackpot
And then we have to ask “Do we really need an act of Congress to stop this from happening again?”
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:27 pm
by Scooter
Considering that it was already established that it was a violation of airline policy....
What next, a law prohibiting airlines from flying planes without fuel?
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:04 pm
by Big RR
I understand CP and Scooter, but then airlines are fairly regulated industries for a number of reasons, both good and bad. In a time when airlines are forcing more and more things into the overhead spaces in an attempt to avoid the high checked luggage fees, perhaps it makes sense to have a law preventing live animals from being placed in it. As for it being an airline policy, we can all see how well the policy worked and how well the airline enforced it.
My guess is that there is already a law (or at least an FAA regulation) that specifies how much fuel a commercial passenger plane must carry for any given trip.
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:33 pm
by Bicycle Bill
Big RR wrote:In a time when airlines passengers are forcing more and more things into the overhead spaces in an attempt to avoid the high checked luggage fees...
FIFY
-"BB"-
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:55 pm
by BoSoxGal
Big RR wrote:Actually, I never thought the overhead bins were airtight--more like dresser drawers where can come in and out. That being said, in the winter when they are full of coats as well as carry on bags, I could see where a carrier jammed into the bin could not have much air, and demanding that someone put a live animal there is ridiculous. And add to that that the dog was a bulldog, which most airlines (not sure about United) will not allow to fly because of the snub nosed face and breathing problems; it makes exiling him to the overhead bin ever worse.
And yesterday I heard on the news that United sent a dog in a checked carrier to Japan instead of a California to Kansas City flight; the airline apologized and made some comment about the rare incidence of misplaced luggage. Come on, this is a live animal, not someone's shorts--you'd think they'd pay more attention to where it goes.
So much for the Friendly Skies.
Trunks aren’t airtight either, but you can suffocate in one. You can suffocate in a dresser drawer, too - I’m sure that’s happened to small kids. Any enclosed space without sufficient fresh air exchange becomes a toxic environment once the carbon dioxide overwhelms the oxygen. Dogs breath fast and pant heavily when stressed, which this pup no doubt was - which means he very quickly overwhelmed the oxygen balance in that small space and suffocated on CO2. Sadly, it’s not a painless death like suffocating on helium or nitrogen or argon is - that dog experienced panic and suffering in his final moments of life. Really reprehensible and I’m sure the family - the kids especially - will have nightmares. I hope the steward loses her/his job.
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:16 pm
by Scooter
CHICAGO—United Airlines has announced it will issue special bag tags for animal carriers and prosecutors have launched an investigation to determine if criminal charges are warranted following the death of a French bulldog puppy that was forced into an overhead bin on a United flight.
The Chicago-based airline said a flight attendant who ordered the passenger to put her pet carrier in the overhead bin aboard a Houston-to-New York flight Monday didn’t know there was a dog inside.
“To prevent this from happening again, by April we will issue bright coloured bag tags to customers travelling with in-cabin pets,” United said in a statement.
The family that owned the dog and other passengers contradicted the airline’s account, saying the dog’s barks were audible from inside the bin.
Eleven-year-old Sophia Ceballos told NBC News that her mother told the flight attendant “’It’s a dog, it’s a dog,’ and (the flight attendant) said we have to put it up there,” in the bin.
Other passengers backed up the family’s account on Twitter and Facebook.
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Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:52 pm
by BoSoxGal
Yeah, they need to fire that stupid jackhole.
People are too acquiescent; I’d have demanded to speak to the pilot or walked off the plane and then sued the airline.
Poor puppy.
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:02 am
by Jarlaxle
She was probably (and rightly) worried about that landing her in Federal prison as a terrorist.
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:26 pm
by Big RR
Bicycle Bill wrote:Big RR wrote:In a time when airlines passengers are forcing more and more things into the overhead spaces in an attempt to avoid the high checked luggage fees...
FIFY
-"BB"-
it's not the passengers who came up with the idea of charging to check luggage, it was the airlines. checking luggage was always more convenient for the airlines as it led to quicker boarding and less arguments over the overhead space; but then some pinheads came up with the asinine idea t charge the passengers for this great "privilege". Yes the passengers opt not to pay this, just as most opt not to buy a first class ticket and squeeze into a coach seat, but the paucity of checked luggage, and the resultant crowding of overhead space, is mostly the airlines' doing.
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:31 pm
by Big RR
BoSoxGal wrote:Big RR wrote:Actually, I never thought the overhead bins were airtight--more like dresser drawers where can come in and out. That being said, in the winter when they are full of coats as well as carry on bags, I could see where a carrier jammed into the bin could not have much air, and demanding that someone put a live animal there is ridiculous. And add to that that the dog was a bulldog, which most airlines (not sure about United) will not allow to fly because of the snub nosed face and breathing problems; it makes exiling him to the overhead bin ever worse.
And yesterday I heard on the news that United sent a dog in a checked carrier to Japan instead of a California to Kansas City flight; the airline apologized and made some comment about the rare incidence of misplaced luggage. Come on, this is a live animal, not someone's shorts--you'd think they'd pay more attention to where it goes.
So much for the Friendly Skies.
Trunks aren’t airtight either, but you can suffocate in one. You can suffocate in a dresser drawer, too - I’m sure that’s happened to small kids. Any enclosed space without sufficient fresh air exchange becomes a toxic environment once the carbon dioxide overwhelms the oxygen. Dogs breath fast and pant heavily when stressed, which this pup no doubt was - which means he very quickly overwhelmed the oxygen balance in that small space and suffocated on CO2. Sadly, it’s not a painless death like suffocating on helium or nitrogen or argon is - that dog experienced panic and suffering in his final moments of life. Really reprehensible and I’m sure the family - the kids especially - will have nightmares. I hope the steward loses her/his job.
Well BSG, for whatever reason, this dog needlessly suffered, and that is, indeed, reprehensible. And when many airlines (I don't know if United is one, but I'd bet it is) refuse to let bulldogs fly because of breathing problems, this becomes even more reprehensible. And I hope the airlines pays big for its indifference.
As for
I’d have demanded to speak to the pilot or walked off the plane and then sued the airline.
You wouldn't have had to walk off, they'd have thrown you off once you said anything tot he flight attendant. I've seen people excreted off flights for raising their voice to a flight attendant a few times, and read about it a lot more; but it is hard to not raise your voice when some pinhead is telling you to do something this stupid.
Re: United Airlines strikes again
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:59 am
by ex-khobar Andy
When my daughter was 12 months old we flew to the UK to introduce her to her grandparents. 1993, so a simpler time. We bought a seat for her so we had three tickets. We carried her car seat on board and strapped it in good and tight, and then placed her in that. She was of course used to the car seat so no problem. The flight attendant then came along and said I would have to hold her in my lap for takeoff because that was safer. I explained to her that I wasn't going to do that and if necessary I would prove it using basic physics. There was no way that I could hold her in my arms more tightly and effectively than a properly secured car seat with double shoulder straps. She said she was going to get the pilot - I said yes please - he took one look and said that's fine. She was happy the entire flight - not a whimper.
Continental BTW.
ETA - I was polite the whole time but there was absolutely no way I was going to do what she wanted.