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Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:43 pm
by Lord Jim
Woman says she called police when black Airbnb guests didn't wave at her

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(CNN)Earlier this week, three black Airbnb guests checked out of their rental only to be met by seven police cars.
Attorneys for the guests said a woman who called Rialto, California, authorities said she made the call because the departing guests didn't wave to her or smile at her.

"They have a right not to smile," [and also not to tap dance] said attorney Jasmine Rand at a Thursday morning news conference in New York. "We don't want to live in an America where black people are forced to smile at white people to preserve their lives."

The three black guests -- Kelly Fyffe-Marshall, Donisha Prendergast and Komi-Oluwa Olafimihan -- [Prendergast is Bob Marley's grand daughter] were also traveling with a fourth guest, who is a white woman. But according to the their attorneys, the neighbor only told police about three suspicious black people. Police previously said the caller was an elderly white woman.

"And that should have been automatic evidence to them that this issue, this call was racially motivated by this woman," Rand said.

Now, the attorneys want the woman held accountable and are calling for the Rialto Police Department to conduct an investigation into officers' actions, claiming their clients' constitutional rights under the 4th and 14th Amendments were violated.

The group checked out of their Airbnb on April 30, and were dragging their luggage to their car when police showed up and told them to put their hands in the air. They tried to explain to officers that they were renting an Airbnb, but officers didn't believe them, and detained them for between 20 and 45 minutes, Rand said.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/10/us/airbn ... index.html

Okay, it seems to me that the lady who made the call had race, consciously or unconsciously, coloring (no pun intended) her judgement when she called the cops. Highly unlikely that she would have done the same thing had the people involved been white, and all the other facts been identical. (Her first thought probably would have been that they were visiting relatives or friends of a neighbor.)

But being afraid of black people in your well-to-do white neighborhood, (no matter how unjustified that fear may be) is not a crime. And there's no indication that she filed any kind of false police report; apparently she told the 911 dispatcher exactly why she was suspicious (no smiling or waving by three black people). She didn't claim they were brandishing weapons, or looking in widows, or trying to break in anywhere...

And she may have been completely unaware that her neighbor was doing the Air BnB thing, (I suspect that the Air BnB phenomena is probably generating a lot of "suspicious-looking people in the neighborhood" police reports.)

Also I doubt that she was motivated by an conscious maliciousness; ie, I don't think she was thinking something like, "Well, I'm really not afraid of these people but I'm going to call the police anyway because I hate black people and I want to see them hassled". I don't see any reason to believe that her fear, (while completely wrongheaded and misplaced) wasn't genuinely and sincerely felt.

So if there's any remedy here at all I don't see where it involves the little old lady who called 911.

Regarding the police, sending seven squad cars certainly looks like an overreaction, but also as police over-reactions go, this one looks pretty mild...

No guns were drawn, no one was arrested, no one was cuffed, in fact there is no allegation of any physical aggression by the police whatsoever...There also don't appear to be any allegations of verbal abuse by the police either.

Just the initial hands-up order, (which they weren't required to do for any great length of time) followed by 20-45 minutes of being kept at the scene while the cops verified what they were saying. (Which may have been inappropriate; I don't know what the procedural rules in this situation are. Maybe it's the case that absent any evidence or reasonable suspicion of a crime they shouldn't have been detained at all; as I said I don't know what the protocols are for this.)

One thing does seem clear to me. Wherever these Air BnBs are going to be permitted to operate, there must be much better communication about it with both the neighborhoods they are operating in and local law enforcement. (In another article I read about this, it was reported that one of the cops apparently told the group that he had never even heard of Air BnB. )

People who operate Air BnBs should be required to make some effort to inform the other residents of the neighborhood about it, (posting notices on telephone poles, hanging fliers on front door handles, etc.) and also to contact the local police station to let them know they are operating an Air BnB.

For their part, the police departments have an obligation to then make sure all the cops on the beat in the area know about it, so they can respond to a report of "suspicious looking people with luggage" appropriately.

Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 2:00 pm
by RayThom
"No Wavin' No Cry"

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 5:44 pm
by Long Run
Earlier this week my next door neighbor saw some white guys poking around at night in the carport of the neighbor across the street. And the next door neighbor calls the police. Turns out the guys are renters or friends of the renters of the house and the carport light is out so they are using flashlights to find whatever they were looking for. It is a non-story.

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:42 pm
by Scooter
Poking around at night in a dark and secluded area is one thing. Coming out the front door in broad daylight with luggage is something else altogether, unless they were seen carting out TVs and expensive looking artwork.

Not unlike the racist cunt at Yale, second time that she is known to have unjustly called the cops when she found herself sharing oxygen with a black student. She's got like six degrees, and in all that time she never came across a student napping in a common area? Where did she previously study, Insomniac's U?

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 9:41 pm
by Lord Jim
Not unlike the racist cunt at Yale, second time that she is known to have unjustly called the cops when she found herself sharing oxygen with a black student.
That one is quite the character...

Not exactly your stereotypical redneck racist...

A hardcore feminist and Atheist who also seems to have a real problem with black students napping on couches in dorm common areas:
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The white Yale University grad student who called the cops on a black student napping in the common room of her dorm has expressed vehement opposition to hate crimes legislation and had called racism a "silly" social construct in years-old online posts.

Sarah Braasch was thrust into the international spotlight after social media users identified her in a livestream recorded by Lolade Siyonbola. Siyonbola posted the clips to Facebook after Braasch phoned authorities and reported her for sleeping on a couch in the Hall of Graduate Studies early Tuesday morning.

"I have every right to call the police, you cannot sleep in that room," Braasch told her.

Braasch, who did not return a request for comment, has previously been accused of calling authorities on another student of color. And her online presence is rife with controversial perspectives on race, religion and human rights.

Here are a few things we know about her:

Braasch is slated to complete her Ph.D. in philosophy in 2020, according to Yale University's website.

The school did not return request for comment about Braasch's status at the university Friday.

"Her secularism and women's rights advocacy (including with Ni Putes Ni Soumises in Paris, France) led her to obtain an MA in Philosophy, to address the sub-human legal status of the world's women at the source, the philosophical foundations of law," her bio reads.

The 43-year-old graduate student already has a pair of engineering degrees — aerospace and mechanical — from the University of Minnesota and a JD from Fordham. Braasch is also a staunch First Amendment advocate and lawyer.


"Her 30th birthday brought into focus her desire to become an international human rights lawyer, with a focus on women's sexual and reproductive rights," according to San Francisco State's website, where Braasch was previously a master's candidate in philosophy.

"Since I hate to mince words, let me just say: Hate crimes legislation is stupid. Seriously stupid. Abominably stupid. I hate hate crimes legislation. But, I love hate speech," she wrote in a 2011 piece for Daylight Atheism.

She began the article with an anecdote about seeing a woman sporting a niqab on the U.C. Berekely Campus, labeling it "barbarism," "brazen" and a "great shame.

"We can no more tolerate gender segregation in the public space, above and beyond the simple fact that we can neither protect nor prosecute those whom we cannot identify."



She wrote about the experience on Facebook and recalled how online commenters likened her remarks to a hate crime against Muslims. Braasch said she rejected the accusation, defending herself under the First Amendment.

"Hate crimes legislation has a chilling effect on free speech and freedom of association. This is why hate crimes legislation is in direct contravention of the First Amendment of the US Constitution," she wrote.

"Under hate crimes legislation, anyone who has ever said anything, which might be deemed hateful, directed at one of the groups protected under the legislation opens themselves up to hate crime prosecution in perpetuity."

In a separate article titled "Yes, That's me in the Burqa" she further delves into her opposition to the garment writing: "I support the anticipated public burqa ban in France. And, I would support a public burqa ban in the United States. In fact, I would support a global burqa ban."

Since Braasch has claimed national headlines for her racist phone call to authorities, several websites that have published her articles have weighed on the high-profile incident.

"Daylight Atheist" in a lengthy post lambasted the "pattern of prejudice that's still prevalent in our society" but opted to leave Braasch's posts online as they're not "completely outside the bounds of discussion."

Another article on the Humanist, which also discusses her opposition to face-covering veils, was removed for equating burqa-wearing women to "slaves in abusive misogynistic or otherwise patriarchal religious traditions."
More of Miss Braasch's views here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3984355

After reading the profile on this lady, I suspect that what may have been in the first instance an act of arrogant, entitled bullying, may with the second incident have become a deliberate effort to court publicity...

This clearly not a person who shirks from drawing attention to herself...

And given her education and long acquaintance with academic environments, I really find her actions considerably more offensive and unacceptable than the little old lady who called 911 in the OP...

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 1:43 am
by dales
And in other news:
Following a string of recent incidents involving black customers and police at Waffle House, Bernice King — the youngest daughter of Martin Luther King Jr. — is calling for a boycott of the beloved 24-hour diner chain.

Earlier this week, a video of a May 5 incident at a North Carolina Waffle House went viral after being posted to Facebook. The video shows a black man clad in a tuxedo being choked and slammed to the ground by a police officer. The man in the video, 22-year-old Anthony Wall, says staff called police after an employee cursed at him and his younger sister, who he had just taken to prom, for sitting at a table that hadn’t yet been cleaned, sparking an argument.

In April at a Waffle House in Alabama, 25-year-old Chikesia Clemons was tackled to the ground by police and arrested after she refused to pay an extra 50 cents for a set of plastic utensils. Protesters swarmed the restaurant after video of the violent incident was posted online.

King took to Twitter on Thursday to call for a boycott, urging people to avoid Waffle House until the company “seriously commits to” having a discussion on racism and training its employees.
As the late Rodney King implored: "Can't we all just get along?"

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 2:23 am
by Crackpot
Fine people on both sides.

Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 2:59 am
by RayThom
Braasch sounds like a professional, tenured, student with no real world experience. I hope Yale finds a way to sever ties with their wayward intellectual. On the other hand she appears to be a cash cow for the university and I suspect they'll try to schmooze the naysayers.

Regardless, she's an embarrassment to my Atheistic sensibilities and needs to be exposed to the light.

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 3:57 am
by liberty
Is there a rule against sleeping in common rooms at Yale? If there is such a rule she does have a right to record the violation unless some people are exempt from the rules. She would call campus police so there would be a police report.

I wonder, why doesn’t she have to work for a living? Maybe she does. However she does sound like am interesting person.

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 6:11 am
by Econoline
WHAAAAT????? :loon The way to stop someone from sleeping in a place they're not supposed to be sleeping is to just wake them up...

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:17 am
by Econoline
White people keep calling the cops on black people for no reason.
That’s dangerous.
  • Calling 911 means different things to white and black people.
    By P.R. Lockhart | May 11, 2018, 1:00pm EDT

    A black Yale student was taking a nap in a common room in her dorm earlier this week when a white student saw her sleeping and decided to call the police.

    Lolade Siyonbola, who is a graduate student at Yale, was woken up by the classmate and interrogated by law enforcement for 15 minutes. According to Siyonbola, the white student told police that she appeared out of place in the building.

    “I deserve to be here. I pay tuition like everybody else,” Siyonbola told police officers in a video posted to Facebook. “I’m not going to justify my existence here.”

    The Yale incident is the latest in a number of recent, high-profile cases where people of color have been racially profiled, confronted by police, and, in some cases, arrested after white business owners, employees, or bystanders viewed them with suspicion. Many of the incidents have spread on social media, calling national attention to the issue.

    In April, two black men, Rashon Nelson and Donte Robinson, were arrested for trespassing as they waited inside a Philadelphia Starbucks for a business partner. The men later said they had been inside the Starbucks for mere minutes before the store’s manager called 911 because they sat down without ordering anything.

    Not long after this, a black woman was violently arrested inside a Saraland, Alabama, Waffle House and had the front of her shirt pulled down by police officers after a manager called 911 because of a dispute over an extra charge on the woman’s bill.

    That same month, the owner of a golf club in Pennsylvania called police on a group of black women who he said were playing too slowly. On April 30, two Native American teenagers were pulled aside by police during a tour of Colorado State University after a white parent on the tour called them. And on May 8, the president of Nordstrom Rack issued an apology after employees at a Missouri location called the police on three black men who were shopping for prom, accusing them of shoplifting. A white customer in the store called the men “a bunch of bums” as they looked through items.

    If “shopping while black” and “driving while black” have been long used to describe a tendency for people and police to treat black people with suspicion, recent incidents have provided an increasing number of scenarios to add to the list.

    But while it’s tempting to think that this recent wave of incidents is proof that this is a new phenomenon, that’s definitely not the case.

    As many black writers have pointed out recently, people of color have long been subject to racial profiling in public, or private, spaces. If anything has changed, it’s that social media and the ubiquity of cellphone cameras have made it easier for black and brown people to share footage of confrontations and arrests in real time.

    But though they’re not new, these incidents are a reminder that decades after the collapse of legal segregation, spaces like clothing stores, coffee shops, and universities remain strongly controlled along racial lines.

    They also highlight something more complicated. Many people of color already have a tense relationship with law enforcement, due to documented racial bias, disparities in police use of force, and the impacts of officer-involved shootings. When white Americans needlessly call law enforcement on people of color, it makes an existing problem worse.

    Some white people are calling the police for really minor things

    When looking at the incidents that have occurred over the past month, one thing that stands out is how minor some of the alleged offenses are — and that someone feeling suspicious or uncomfortable is enough to warrant calling law enforcement.

    For example, when a woman recently called police on a trio of black filmmakers staying in an Airbnb in Rialto, California, she told authorities that she was suspicious because they didn’t wave to her.

    The owner of the Airbnb agreed with the neighbor, saying at a police press conference that “If the kids had simply smiled at (my neighbor) and waved back and acknowledged her and said, ‘We’re just Airbnb guests checking out,’ none of this would have ever happened. But instead, they were rude, unkind, not polite.”

    Some people on social media have attempted to justify Siyonbola’s ordeal at Yale by saying she was “rude” for sleeping in the common room of her dorm.

    These examples show how people of color are subject to arbitrary social expectations and heightened scrutiny. And it’s a phenomenon that academics argue is more likely to happen in places where people of color, especially black people, are in the minority.

    Yale sociologist Elijah Anderson notes that there is a difference between “white spaces,” where black people are often not present or exist in a limited number, and “black spaces,” communities and spaces occupied by larger numbers of black people.

    And because so much of America remains divided along racial lines, black people who enter white spaces are often viewed with suspicion unless they are in a service position, like working as a store clerk or a waiter. And as gentrification increases the number of these spaces, this can create huge difficulties.

    Anderson notes that part of this suspicion arises from commonly held stereotypes of black people as being criminal and black behavior as being deviant. As a result, black people in these “white spaces” are forced to justify their presence, and face consequences when that justification isn’t accepted by others.

    “In the minds of many of their detractors, to scrutinize and stop black people is to prevent crime and protect the neighborhood,” he explained in a 2015 paper. “Thus, for the black person, particularly young males, virtually every public encounter results in a degree of scrutiny that a ‘normal,’ white person would certainly not need to endure.”

    But according to academic and writer Tressie McMillan Cottom, the desire to protect space in these instances is not simply motivated by concerns about safety or the desire to “see something, say something” — but a need for control.

    On Twitter, Cottom explained that recent incidents like the one at Yale are rooted in an effort to preserve racial hierarchy by showing that black people can be removed at any time. “At millions of places, in a billion different interactions across the country ... a white person is doing all the daily management of white spaces and places,” she wrote.

    White and black people have very different perceptions of police

    If the recent spate of incidents has sparked a conversation about why black people are met with so much suspicion in public, another important part of the conversation focuses on why the police are being asked to respond to situations where they aren’t really needed.

    And when white people call law enforcement on people of color for unnecessary reasons, they are adding to an existing problem, since minority groups are more likely to face police violence or harsh punishment from the justice system.

    You don’t need to look far for examples of how this can play out.

    In 2015, white residents of a McKinney, Texas, neighborhood called police on a group of black high schoolers holding a pool party, complaining about noise. One adult allegedly told the teenagers to return to “Section 8 [public] housing.” When police arrived, a black girl was violently slammed to the ground and pinned by an officer. Residents later posted signs thanking the officers for “keeping us safe.”

    In 2014, John Crawford was fatally shot by police inside an Ohio Walmart after a man called 911, telling the dispatcher that Crawford was pointing the gun at people. Crawford was holding a BB gun, and video footage later showed that he was not waving the weapon.

    As the Atlantic’s Adam Harris notes, black and white people call law enforcement at different rates, with people of color calling the police less often. And that difference is driven by a crucial perception: While white people see police as a force that will protect them, communities of color see a force that is more likely to do the opposite.

    There’s a real reason for that. In addition to studies that reveal racial disparities in police use of force, data collected by the Guardian shows that black Americans are more likely than whites to be shot by police, when controlling for population.
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    And as Vox’s German Lopez has noted, high-profile incidents of police violence erode trust in law enforcement, and that trust can be difficult to regain. A 2016 study from a group of sociologists at Yale, Harvard, and Oxford found that after the 2004 police beating of Frank Jude in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, residents made 17 percent fewer 911 calls the next year. And those numbers remained low even after the officers involved in the incident had been punished. Researchers found similar results after high-profile incidents of police brutality in other predominantly black communities.

    “White people have not had the same difficult relationship with police and state-sanctioned violence, making them less likely to fear harm by police,” Harris writes. “For black people, an examination of that history can easily discourage someone from picking up the phone —even when they’re in need of help.”

    Put together, the incidents like the one at the Philadelphia Starbucks, Yale, and countless other places serve as additional proof of persistent racial divisions in the US. And those divisions, which include assumptions of black guilt in the most minor of circumstances, lead to more policing — part of a much larger problem.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/5/1 ... e-911-bias

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:42 pm
by Burning Petard
But she DOES have every right to call the police.

And the police have a right to tell the silly woman to get off the phone and go out on the street and perform a citizens arrest on someone jay walking.

It is the American way to allow every person the opportunity to make a fool of themselves. But Yale campus cops could not handle this without embarrassing their organization? Her parents must be big donors.

snailgate

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:29 pm
by Big RR
Back top the OP, I think the question would have to be what she told the 911 operator; if she just said "they didn't wave", then I think the police overreacted; but if she said they were robbing the house (and maybe kidnapping a white woman), the woman might have done something actionable. In any event, she had the right to call the police, but ot if it was for the entertainment value of watching the police rough up some black guys.

The Yale woman sounds like a real loon, and like the boy who cried wolf, but I imagine one day she will get her head handed to her by someone who really is posing a threat while the police ignore her call for help.

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:06 pm
by Econoline
Here is the real problem (from the Vox article I quoted above):
  • ...when white people call law enforcement on people of color for unnecessary reasons, they are adding to an existing problem, since minority groups are more likely to face police violence or harsh punishment from the justice system.

    You don’t need to look far for examples of how this can play out.
All you need is a cop with an attitude or a black male (any age) holding a phone, a wallet, a camera, a stick...or really anything that would fit in your hand...
  • While white people see police as a force that will protect them, communities of color see a force that is more likely to do the opposite.

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 11:29 pm
by MG McAnick
It could have been worse. In Wichita the cops execute miscreants for pulling their pants up while being given various commands from different officers.

Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:05 am
by Econoline
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Re: Don't Wave, Call In The SWAT Team...

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 5:01 am
by BoSoxGal
Good conversation had on Everyday Racism in America on MSNBC tonight; probably will be available online soon.