Terrible Loss...

[RayThom]

Hey, I was watching when the Notre Dame Cathedral came tumbling down. And I was watching from Square Rene Viviani, across the River Seine, where thousands and thousands of Muslims were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of Arabs were cheering.

Sad.

[liberty]

And now for the view from the lunatic fringe.

I would not rule out arson. There are people like “Shit For Brains” that go beyond just being atheists that are anti-Christian that have a hatred for Christianity. And it is a historical symbol of Christianity. I would take a very close look at all the people that worked in or on the cathedral. If it was arson and if it was organized we will know before long. An organization would take credit as soon their operatives are safely out of the country.

-"BB"-

fixed that.

What is lunatic fringe about that? You do agree that people do intently burn churches don’t you. And I didn’t say the fire was intentionally set, but it could have been. If I was at war with a society I wouldn’t kill a bunch of people. People get used to that and put it out of their minds. Look how many people are killed in the inner city of Chicago each year. Does anyone care about that? It is even considered racist to mention it. No, people really don’t care; the things to attack are things like cultural icons and elements of the economy like bridges, the electrical grid and trains.

But it could have just been caused by the careless of a construction worker. If it was something like a frayed extension cord powering a carpenter’s circular saw that would be third world. And that would beg the question why would a first world country like France tolerate third world safety standards? It will be interesting to see what actually caused the fire.

[Lord Jim]

You do agree that people do intently burn churches don’t you.

Oh, I don't think you'll get any dispute about that lib...

We have an excellent recent example, in your home state...

[Lord Jim]

I didn’t say the fire was intentionally set, but it could have been.

Fair enough, and ultimately that remains a possibility, but that is not at the moment the direction in which any of the available evidence points...

All the available evidence as of now suggests a combination of inadequate up-keep combined with some sort of accidental combustion as being the most likely cause.

Excerpted from an excellent article about this:

Even though there’s a lot for fire investigators still to unpack, fire experts say there are a number of explanations for why the cathedral was at risk and why, once the fire got going, it was so difficult to fight.

To find out more, I called Thomas Gernay, an assistant professor of civil engineering at Johns Hopkins University who studies how fires affect structures. [I'm going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that Prof. Gernay might be a more knowledgeable source about this than "InfoWars"]He described four big hazards that combined to fuel the destruction.

Built in the late 12th century, the cathedral was beginning to show its age. Pollution, weathering, and acid rain stained and pitted its walls and gargoyles. And there were conflicts over who should pay for its upkeep, delaying much-needed maintenance, like removing flammable dust or waxing the wooden roof structure to prevent it from drying out.[That goes to something I was wondering about...I knew there was a lot of very old wood in the structure, but I was wondering why it hadn't been treated with modern fire retardant materials. It looks like what was going on is that the kind of maintenance that would have prevented this fire from getting out of hand as fast as it did had been held up by bureaucratic squabbling... ]

That’s a big reason extensive renovations were underway when the fire broke out.

Bringing power tools, electric lamps, and welding equipment in close proximity to a centuries-old building increases the risk of ignition. This is a hazard that comes with any kind of renovation at this scale, but it’s especially risky with a structure that wasn’t designed with fire prevention in mind. The scaffolding structure also provided fuel for the fire.

“There are lots of construction fires. It’s quite a common situation,” Gernay said. “If you combine that with a building that was built at the time where there were no fire protection codes, that’s the situation we are observing.”

Well worth reading the entire article here:

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/16/18312072/ ... edral-fire

[rubato]

In the end it may bring a great deal of good. It will provide a focus for sacrifice on behalf of the community which nearly everyone will agree with. Already French industrialists have pledged 600M Euros to its reconstruction and I am sure that international donations will flood in along with amounts from more average bank accounts.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sk ... illionaire

It is well for us to have a grand purpose we can work towards together. It unites us in our common humanity and demonstrates the capacity for love for the larger community.


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[Bicycle Bill]

Don't worry ... we all knew what you meant, even before you corrected it.
And it's still all Stierenscheiße.

-"BB"-

[Econoline]

[liberty]

Don't worry ... we all knew what you meant, even before you corrected it.
And it's still all Stierenscheiße.

-"BB"-

I am not sure what that means, but suspect it means something like nonsense or crap or some insult. I myself am not much for insults. I would prefer not to use them.

[MajGenl.Meade]

What is lunatic fringe about that? We all know there a vast intertentional atheist conspiracy scheming day and night to burn Christian buildings! They must based in Canada because. They might not have fired to Notre Dame (which means New Dame) but if then the liberal atheist French government is to blame.Negloi Naglect for not inspecting powerful tools which is third world. Russian hoards... Steppes... weak...

[ex-khobar Andy]

A good piece in NYT about the (lack of) fire precautions in the roof space).

[rubato]

There are 6-7 fire stations ranging from .5 to 1.6 miles.

Anyhow, I'm betting they install automated sprinklers.

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[rubato]

There are 6-7 fire stations ranging from .5 to 1.6 miles.

Anyhow, I'm betting they install automated sprinklers.

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[ex-khobar Andy]

Clearly time to talk some football . . .

[Econoline]

This will probably interest rubato. I know it made me happy.

• Did the Rooftop Bees of Notre Dame Survive?
  
  It took me several days to think of the bees. After the smoke had cleared and the heartbreak settled in, I remembered: they kept beehives up there. So you might be wondering too: were the honeybees spared from the fire that ravaged Notre Dame and left the world in disbelief on that black Monday evening in Paris? The fate of the cathedral’s busiest little winged inhabitants may seem all too insignificant next to centuries of history destroyed, but I’ll take my silver linings however I can get them – even in the tiniest doses. So I went looking for answers…

(click the link in the title to read the rest of the story)

[RayThom]

This will probably interest rubato. I know it made me happy.

Yes, I read it on Buzzfeed.

[Lord Jim]

Anyhow, I'm betting they install automated sprinklers.

Mind-boggling that wasn't done long ago...

[ex-khobar Andy]

This will probably interest rubato. I know it made me happy.

Yes, I read it on Buzzfeed.

Funny, Ray. Have one of these

[rubato]

This will probably interest rubato. I know it made me happy.

• Did the Rooftop Bees of Notre Dame Survive?
  
  It took me several days to think of the bees. After the smoke had cleared and the heartbreak settled in, I remembered: they kept beehives up there. So you might be wondering too: were the honeybees spared from the fire that ravaged Notre Dame and left the world in disbelief on that black Monday evening in Paris? The fate of the cathedral’s busiest little winged inhabitants may seem all too insignificant next to centuries of history destroyed, but I’ll take my silver linings however I can get them – even in the tiniest doses. So I went looking for answers…

(click the link in the title to read the rest of the story)

Well of course it made me happy! Everyone loves those adorable fuzzy hard-working little girls! Just because I developed a reaction to bee venom (after many dozen stings) does not dampen my love for them even a little.


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