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Not three words you see together very often...
Father of suspect in three killings in Canada says son plans to go out 'in blaze of glory'

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(CNN)The father of one of two Canadian teens wanted in the killings of a young American woman, her Australian boyfriend and a Canadian man said Wednesday that he doesn't believe his son will survive the nationwide manhunt.

"Basically, he's going to be dead today or tomorrow. I know that," Alan Schmegelsky, whose son Bryer is a suspect, told The Canadian Press. "Rest in peace, Bryer. I love you. I'm so sorry all this had to happen. I'm so sorry that I couldn't rescue you."

The comments came the same day authorities charged Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, with one count of second degree murder in the death of Leonard "Len" Dyck of Vancouver, British Columbia.

Dyck's body was found Friday, and authorities were able to identify him after releasing a composite sketch of the man.

"As a result of the charges, Canada-wide warrants have been issued," the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Department said in a news release. "RCMP investigators across the country continue to share information with other law enforcement agencies as the suspects remain at large."

The suspects have been moving east since last week, authorities said. They were reportedly spotted in Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan, on Sunday, and their Toyota vehicle was found burned on Monday near Gillam, a town of just over 1,200 people with only one major road running through it.

Initially, the two were believed to be missing. Now, the RCMP say they are suspects in the shooting deaths of Dyck, as well as Chynna Noelle Deese, a 24-year-old American, and Lucas Robertson Fowler, her 23-year-old Australian boyfriend.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/24/americas ... index.html

They've covered a lot of ground:

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If it is indeed the intent of these dirtbags to go out with "Suicide by cop" hopefully it will be before they have a chance to murder anyone else...
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It has been a bizarre story, not the least of which this father (who, reading between the lines, has been somewhat absent from the kid's life) basically already writing off his son as dead.
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Police hunting two Canadian teenagers suspected of killing the US citizen Chynna Deese and the Australian Lucas Fowler have discovered the burned-out remains of a vehicle the suspects were traveling in – nearly 3,000km (1,864 miles) from the scene of the murder.

The search for Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky, suspects in the double murder and in the death of a second unidentified man, is now focused around the town of Gillam in northern Manitoba, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) said on Wednesday.

RCMP Manitoba spokeswoman Julie Courchene confirmed on Wednesday afternoon that a burned-out car found near the Bird reserve on Fox Lake Cree nation was the silver 2011 Toyota Rav 4 that the suspects had been seen traveling in.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... chmegelsky

Here's what I find most concerning about this at the moment...

The authorities found the car more than 24 hours ago (I haven't seen anything on an estimate as to when it was burned) since then presumably they have had hundreds of law enforcement officers, with all kinds of equipment from helicopters to horses, combing the area...

I get that this is probably a pretty remote and heavily wooded area, but I have to say these two don't look like serious wilderness survivalist types to me. I have a hard time believing that they would have the skills (or would have done the necessary planning) to elude this type of manhunt for very long...

It seems to me there's a very good chance that they could have killed someone else, (who has yet to be discovered or reported missing) stolen their car, (which also would not yet have been reported) and by now be as much as 1000 miles away from the area which is currently the focus of the search, ready to strike again... :?
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If these reports are accurate, it looks like at least one of these guys is a very sick puppy who was throwing off a lot of warning signs:
‘Bryer said he would cut our heads off’: schoolmate of wanted Canadian teen

A former schoolmate of wanted Bryer Schmegelsky has revealed the Nazi-obsessed Canadian teen wanted for triple murder would tell her and friends he was going to decapitate them.

Speaking on Nine News from Canada, Madison Hempstead said the 18-year-old “would tell us how he was going to cut our heads off”.

Ms Hempstead said Schmegelsky had a firearm and would “put a gun in his mouth”.

The dark secret life of Schmegelsky has begun to emerge as he and his best friend Kam McLeod are on the run from a massive manhunt by Canadian police in the Northern Province of Manitoba.

Schmegelsky and McLeod are wanted for the murders of Australian man Lucas Fowler, 23, and his American girlfriend Chynna Deese, 24, were found in a ditch by the side of the lonely Alaska Highway last Monday.

The two men have also now been charged with the second degree murder of Leonard Dyck, whose body was found near their burnt out truck on the same highway.

Photos of Schmegelsky’s Nazi memorabilia including a swastika, a knife inscribed “blut und ehre” (German for “blood and honour” and the teen posing in military fatigues have emerged.

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[From the photos I first saw, this is the guy I would have picked to be the "follower" not the "leader" of the two]

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Canada’s Globe and Mail revealed he praised Hitler’s Nazi Germany via digital games marketplace, Steam.

Since deleted online accounts linked to the two wanted men reportedly feature far-right politics, Soviet imagery and hentai, Japanese anime pornography and the survivalist video game, Rust.

As police now close in on the pair in the tiny Manitoban town of Gillam, a distraught and weeping Mr Schmegelsky issued a chilling prediction.

He told the Alberni Valley News that he suspects his son will go down shooting.

“Basically, he’s going to be dead today or tomorrow. I know that,” he said.

Mr Schmegelsky said the teen had a troubled upbringing and was in “very serious pain”. He also said that video games and YouTube had been his biggest influences since his parents divorced in 2005.

The Globe and Mail reportsthe teens from Port Alberni are part of a video game network that worships the Third Reich and whose platforms include profile pictures of the infamous imperial eagle from Nazi Germany.

The newspaper published photographs yesterday, supplied by users within the Illusive Gameing (sic) network, showing Schmegelsky dressed in a gas mask and army fatigues.

In other photos, there is a Nazi knife and armband allegedly owned by the teen.

The knife has an inscription “blut und ehre”, which is German for “blood and honour”.

Port Alberni locals also say the teens had links to far-right extremist content. Lisa Lucas, who lived next door to Schmegelsky’s grandmother, told the CBC British Columbia her son went to school with the 18-year-old.

She said Schmegelsky’s friends felt “uncomfortable” after he showed them pictures of himself wearing the Nazi armband.[Yeah, I can see how that might be off-putting...]

“After a while he started making people feel uncomfortable, just with the comments that he would make and how much he was into video games, a little bit more on the violent side of the video games,” she said.
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It is really, really huge and empty up there - even if you’re just driving around in a stolen vehicle not yet reported stolen, it could take some time to find them.

I’ll never forget my drive across Canada from just north of Vermont to the UP of Michigan - it was so vast, so many trees and so little civilization - just truly magnificent. Some of the places they’ve been are even bigger and wilder, easy to not come across a Mountie.

I hope they’re found soon and commit no further murders - all the deaths are terrible but I’m especially saddened by the deaths of the very young couple with all their lives yet to live.



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Lord Jim wrote:Here's what I find most concerning about this at the moment...

The authorities found the car more than 24 hours ago (I haven't seen anything on an estimate as to when it was burned) since then presumably they have had hundreds of law enforcement officers, with all kinds of equipment from helicopters to horses, combing the area...

I get that this is probably a pretty remote and heavily wooded area, but I have to say these two don't look like serious wilderness survivalist types to me. I have a hard time believing that they would have the skills (or would have done the necessary planning) to elude this type of manhunt for very long...

It seems to me there's a very good chance that they could have killed someone else, (who has yet to be discovered or reported missing) stolen their car, (which also would not yet have been reported) and by now be as much as 1000 miles away from the area which is currently the focus of the search, ready to strike again... :?
You're correct, LJ, that's a distinct (and given their travels already) and strong possibility, and I am sure that is why there is a Canada-wide alert out for these two instead of just, say, in the provinces of Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

It might also be, LJ, that Canadian law enforcement (the RCMP) doesn't immediately rush in front of a camera and microphones and spill their guts every time and as soon as they find something of interest — unlike this country, where cops and politicians routinely push each other out of the way for screen time and sound bites — and are withholding as many details as they legitimately can so as not to tip off their quarry as to just how close they may in fact be to apprehending them.

I just hope they find them, one way or the other, and they don't just disappear into legend like D.B. Cooper.  
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An army of Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), along with reinforcements from as far afield as Alberta and Ontario, descended on the one-road town of just 1,200 people after the teens torched their last known getaway car at a nearby First Nations reserve on Monday.

An Emergency Response Team, Crisis Negotiation Team, the RCMP Major Crime Unit and additional district resources have been deployed to the district, police said.

They have received more than 80 tips and asked the public to stay away from the pair if spotted.

On Thursday, police said they believe the suspects are still hiding in the dense bushland, saying there had been two confirmed sightings. Locals are said to be "freaking out" in the normally quiet town where people don't lock their doors.

But despite authorities' claims McLeod and Schmegelsky had effectively trapped themselves in the vast swathe of heavily forested, bear and insect-infested swampland that encircles Gillam, there are other ways out besides the single, 300km stretch of road that connects it to the rest of Manitoba. [It's also possible that they could have stolen another vehicle and driven away during the 24 hours between the time they burned the car and the car was discovered and the manhunt began.]

"There's a CN (Canadian National Railway) line that passes through Gillam and right past where the burnt Rav4 was found," Canadian archaeologist Tyler Cantwell told news.com.au in a message.

"My pure speculation - but it's what I would do - is that they hopped on the back of a train and headed back West."

Others say the Schmegelsky and McLeod could have jumped on a train to Churchill - a port on Hudson Bay known as the Polar Bear Capital of the World and, to a lesser extent, the Beluga Whale Capital of the World.

The port is around 270km from Gillam and popular with tourists, who flock to the pristine harbour to join whale and bear spotting boat and air tours.

If the suspects make it that far, they could easily steal a boat or another car. The ever present threat of polar bears means that locals never lock their vehicles. Authorities advise anyone under attack to jump into the nearest car and shut themselves inside.

The murderous trail of destruction has played out in terrain so isolated there is often no internet or phone coverage, with some areas in northern Manitoba unable to even access 911.

As a result, sightings of the pair have been 24 to 48 hours old by the time they are communicated, allowing the suspects to stay several steps ahead of authorities.
https://www.frasercoastchronicle.com.au ... t/3790482/


I don't understand why this wasn't done sooner:
Canadian manhunt goes door-to-door amid sightings of teen murder suspects

"Over the next 72 hours, investigators will conduct door-to-door canvases in the Town of Gillam and Fox Lake Cree Nation, in hopes of generating new tips and information," said Julie Courchaine, media relations officer for the The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), adding that police were open to the possibility that the suspects might have changed their appearance.

"Our investigators are also exploring the possibility that the suspects may have inadvertently received assistance in leaving the area. To restate, there have been no confirmed sightings outside of the Gillam area, however we remain open to the possibility," Courchaine said.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/ca ... d=64587135

If they did in fact head off on foot into the wilderness, here's what they've been contending with since last Monday:
In addition to avoiding a military-level manhunt, local resident Kyle Lowry told 7NEWS.com.au the pair now have to survive the deadly conditions.

"There are lots of bears and wolves in the area... if you head north a little way there might the odd polar bear, you don't want to run into them," he said.

"The bugs are relentless... mosquitoes and flies will be eating them alive out there.

"I wouldn't want to be out there long without the right gear."

Lifelong resident Tanya Wavey echoed that sentiment, saying their reported survivalist skills would mean little in these conditions.

"It's soft, soft ground. You can break your ankle walking in that stuff, because you sink in, probably about your knees," she told CBC.

She said the sweltering conditions are "totally different from BC, so if they came around here, they can throw their survival stuff out the window".
https://7news.com.au/news/crime/police- ... s-c-366703

So here are the possibilities:

1. They are alive and at large in the wilderness near Gillam, having successfully eluded the massive manhunt and dealt with the wolves, bears, swarms of swamp insects and quicksand for the past five days...(Possible,but with each passing day it becomes less likely.)

2. They went off into the wilderness and haven't been found yet because they've killed themselves. (A nice thought, but it doesn't seem to fit with the psychological profiles, at least as far as they are known publicly.)

3.They carried out a home invasion, and have either killed the residents or are holding them hostage. (This seems like a strong possibility to me. They would have had ample opportunity to do this before the alarm was raised about their presence, and assuming the house had enough food they could easily have hunkered down there for this long without attracting attention.)

4. They've escaped the area and are nowhere near the current focus of the search.

I really hope I'm wrong, but this looks like the most likely possibility to me, especially after all this time passing without finding them. They already killed one person for the purpose of stealing his car, and then fled 1800 miles. People tend to stick with what they know, and what they have seen work for them. They had plenty of time to do this before anyone even knew they were in the Gillam area, they could have done it right after they set fire to the last car. They could have killed the owner, (then perhaps put the body in the trunk and then dumped it in a remote location many miles away where it hasn't yet been found) and gotten clean away...

Of course they now have two of the most recognizable faces in Canada, so unless they've done a good job of changing their appearance it's going to be tough for them to interact in in any populated area for long without being spotted...

On the other hand, they are pretty nondescript looking young guys so it might not take much (some hair dye, a pair of dark glasses and change in facial hair might do the trick, especially if they're smart enough not to go out in public together) for them to blend in...
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You forgot option 2a —— They went off into the wilderness and haven't been found yet because Lady Justice, with a little help from Mother Nature, has dealt with them herself.  A hungry polar bear or pack of wolves wouldn't leave a helluvalot to find.  Ditto for sinking into a bog or quicksand pit.

The only problem with that scenario is the lack of closure — one would then never, ever know.  Just like the issue of what actually happened to Butch and Sundance, or the three guys who got away from Alcatraz and were never found, or (as I mentioned before) D.B. Cooper, there would also be that smidgen of a percentage of a doubt that would keep cropping up, saying "But maybe they somehow got away and are living somewhere else under assumed identities".  
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Canada has spree killers. whee! California has rampage killers, grrr.

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Yes, an "Into The Wild" finish would be a tasty end for some grizzlies but they'll probably be captured and/or killed in some metropolitan area, hiding in plain sight.
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Others say the Schmegelsky and McLeod could have jumped on a train to Churchill - a port on Hudson Bay known as the Polar Bear Capital of the World and, to a lesser extent, the Beluga Whale Capital of the World.

The port is around 270km from Gillam and popular with tourists, who flock to the pristine harbour to join whale and bear spotting boat and air tours.

If the suspects make it that far, they could easily steal a boat or another car.
It wouldn't make any sense to steal a car in Churchill: there is no road connection from there to the rest of Canada. And I doubt whether it would be quite so easy to steal a boat...but if they did, where would they go? North through Hudson Bay and into the Arctic Ocean?
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RayThom wrote:Yes, an "Into The Wild" finish would be a tasty end for some grizzlies but they'll probably be captured and/or killed in some metropolitan area, hiding in plain sight.
Speaking of "Into the Wild" — Newlywed Dies In Treacherous River While Hiking To 'Into The Wild' Bus
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According to RT it appears the victim may have had an alias.

Belarusian actress dies in Alaskan wilderness during wedding trip to ‘Magic Bus’
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"Schmegelsky" - that explains a lot.
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The net draws tighter ....

Tiny Canadian village on lockdown as teenage murder spree suspects spotted scavenging for food
https://news.yahoo.com/stay-inside-lock ... 42613.html

Police helicopters, a plane, drones, dog units and armed officers have flooded the area around York Landing, a small village in remote northern Manitoba, where a local indigenous neighbourhood watch group had spotted the duo.  Officers tweeted residents in York Landing should stay inside and lock all their doors and windows while the heavy police presence searched their community.

James Favel from the Bear Clan Patrol, the First Nations group which reported the sighting, said some of his volunteers spotted two young men who matched the description of Mr. McLeod and Mr. Schmegelsky.  The pair immediately stood out in the small, close-knit village while scavenging for food near a dump and ran away as soon as they realised they had been seen, he added.
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Looks like the hunt is over:
Bodies found in northern Manitoba believed to be 2 B.C. fugitives

Police believe they have found the bodies of fugitives Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky in northern Manitoba, ending a cross-Canada search for the men suspected of killing three people in B.C.

RCMP officers found two male bodies Wednesday at approximately 10 a.m. local time in the area of Fox Lake Cree Nation, a community about 70 kilometres northeast of Gillam, Man.

The remains were discovered approximately a kilometre from where items linked to the fugitives were found along the Nelson River, and eight kilometres from where a torched SUV, allegedly driven by the men, was found in Fox Lake.

"At this time, we believe that these are the bodies of the two suspects wanted in connection with the homicides in British Columbia," said Assistant Commissioner Jane MacLatchy, commanding officer of the Manitoba RCMP.

An autopsy will take place in Winnipeg to confirm the identities of the male bodies and determine their causes of death, MacLatchy said.

McLeod, 19 and Schmegelsky, whose 19th birthday was on Monday, have been the focus of a nationwide search for more than two weeks.

The two men were charged with second-degree murder in the death of 64-year-old University of British Columbia lecturer, Leonard Dyck, whose body was found July 19 along Highway 37 outside of Dease Lake.

B.C. RCMP said Wednesday that the burnt-out RAV4 found near the bodies of Schmegelsky and McLeod belonged to Dyck.

McLeod and Schmegelsky are also suspects in the shooting deaths of Lucas Fowler, 23, an Australian, and Chynna Deese, 24, an American. The couple was discovered gunned down alongside the Alaska Highway, south of Liard Hot Springs, B.C., on July 15.

B.C. RCMP said they've been in touch with all three families.

"The RCMP will continue to offer support to them, understanding that the traumatic losses they have gone through do not end with the deaths of these men whom we believe to be our suspects," said Assistant Commissioner Kevin Hackett.

"We'll also continue to offer support to the Port Alberni families of the two men as they deal with these difficult developments."

RCMP searched for days along highways in northern Manitoba and in the rugged, swampy area around the communities of Gillam and York Landing, for the fugitives.

"I'd like to stress that our investigative efforts have not concluded yet," said Hackett. He said police do not believe there are any other suspects in the case but will continue to examine their findings to be sure.

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Hopefully, polar bears were involved with their demise.

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It is our fault really. If only we said "suicide- murder" instead of "murder-suicide" it would all work out better.

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rubato wrote:It is our fault really. If only we said "suicide- murder" instead of "murder-suicide" it would all work out better.

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