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The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:54 am
by Scooter
Men Don’t Recycle to Avoid Looking Gay, New Study Says
Is there anything toxic masculinity can’t do? Protect the ozone, apparently.
New research has found that
one of the deterrents for going green among men is the fear of their sexual orientation coming under question, according to the journal Sex Roles.
Researchers found in a previous 2016 study that environmental consciousness fell into perceived ideas of masculinity and femininity, with
eco-friendly behavior widely perceived as feminine. In this new study, 960 participants were asked to evaluate whether fictional characters felt “feminine” or “masculine,” based on several environmentally friendly activities such as paying bills online, turning off the air conditioner, caulking windows, recycling, or using reusable shopping bags. Participants were then made to give their impression based on a 10-point scale from heterosexual to homosexual. Kinsey is shaking!
Participants who learned that a male fictional character exhibited behaviors associated with women said that they were "uncertain of his heterosexual identity," the researchers write.
In the example of the reusable shopping bag or recycling, men across the board deemed it as “feminine.” Therefore, those "perceived as being more likely to have positive feminine than positive masculine traits" were not associated with manliness.
Professor Janet K. Swim at Pennsylvania State University who led the research determined that some men might be put off behaving in a more eco-friendly manner because of these stereotypes.
The research suggested that
if being seen as heterosexual is important to them, men will opt out of gender nonconforming behaviors, with a stigma by that association. A latter part of the study showed that “men were most likely to socially distance themselves” from gender nonconforming behavior — a social consequence to the construct of gender at large.
“People may avoid certain behaviors because they are managing the gendered impression they anticipate others will have of them,” Swim said.
I mean,
the earth literally might be uninhabitable by 2040, but no homo.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:40 am
by Joe Guy
I recycle like a man. I smash empty beer cans on my forehead and throw them out of my car window.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:09 am
by Scooter
That's not recycling. That's at best hoping that a homeless person will wander by at some point and collect it.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:15 am
by BoSoxGal
The depressing truth about recycling is that a very large portion of what millions of Americans dutifully rinse, sort and recycle is going into the ground now - or even worse, being burned and adding to global warming. China stopped buying our recycling over a year ago, and there is no market for most mixed plastic and cities can't afford to pay the rates required to get rid of their plastic, so they're burying it or burning it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ ... sh/584131/
I think that the massive effort to educate Americans into recycling was very wrongheaded, in that it gave tens of millions of people who DO care about the environment a means to feel good about buying all that plastic packaging because hey, they were recycling it! I think millions of these people had their heads in the sand about the cost to their own communities to carry out these programs, and the environmental cost of recycling even when a lot of it
was being recycled.
What we should have been doing all along, and desperately need to do now, is educate the American consumer so they will drastically reduce their consumption of plastic in all forms and demand that the companies whose products they use stop putting it in plastic, sometimes double and triple wrapped to boot.
But really, what's the point? I trust scientists. Scientists are shocked by the pace of the melting of the Greenland ice sheet this summer - 100x faster than anything they'd predicted. 2040? I think that might be overly hopeful.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:05 am
by Joe Guy
Scooter wrote:That's not recycling. That's at best hoping that a homeless person will wander by at some point and collect it.
You're right. That's why I estimate the recycling value of the beer cans I've tossed and claim the amount as charity donations on my taxes.
On a serious note, here in the SF Bay Area they make recycling easy for people to do and I do a lot of it. I grunt, belch and fart a lot while I'm doing it to help reinforce my heterosexuality.
The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:12 am
by RayThom
Well, my neighborhood he-man identity remains intact. I only visit the recycle bin at night.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:35 am
by Bicycle Bill
Since 1988, La Crosse County in Wisconsin has contracted with Xcel Energy to burn municipal waste at the La Crosse/French Island plant, one of only two waste-to-energy plants in the state. The plant burns a mixture of refuse-derived-fuel and wood chips derived from ties removed as part of routine right-of-way maintenance by the Canadian Pacific Railroad. In 2018 the plant burned 53000 tons of garbage that might otherwise had been landfilled, along with 25000 tons of wood chips, to generate something like 82,250 megawatt hours of electricity — enough electricity to power about 9,800 homes. Besides reducing the need for fossil fuels (coal) that would have been consumed otherwise, burning the area’s garbage has also reportedly saved the county from having to construct at least two additional landfills in recent years.
So maybe the empty pop bottle seen in the commercials did not get recycled into another form of plastic that became a park bench alongside the ocean. But neither did it end up
in the ocean, or in a landfill, or just cast away on the side of the road.
-"BB"-
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:58 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
Joe Guy wrote:
On a serious note, here in the SF Bay Area they make recycling easy for people to do and I do a lot of it. I grunt, belch and fart a lot while I'm doing it to help reinforce my heterosexuality.
Less of the farting, please JG. That's mostly methane which is about 25 times worse than CO2 as a greenhouse gas.
I'm trying to remember my reusable bags and not leave them in the car. In Kroger the other day, I gave my Ikea KYLVÄSKA (cool cooler bag) to the old gent who was bagging. "It can all go in there," I said breezily. Two avocados, some potatoes, and a plastic bottle of Dawn. (You can't avoid all plastic; but at least they use Dawn to clean off all those cormorants which get caught up in an oil spill. I'd do anything for a
shag, as they say back home.) I had avoided the plastic bags for the veg, though. Too late. The old gent was proudly holding up the washing up detergent, now double bagged in
two of their carriers, "in case it breaks so you don't get soap on your potatoes." I was going to educate him on the difference between soap and detergent but I thought better of it, you'll be pleased to hear.
BSG: Excellent post. Have a smilie thing.

Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:36 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
BSG's point:
What we should have been doing all along, and desperately need to do now, is educate the American consumer so they will drastically reduce their consumption of plastic in all forms and demand that the companies whose products they use stop putting it in plastic, sometimes double and triple wrapped to boot.
1974 or so, I was one of the founding members of a student group we called Survival! which was dedicated to environmental awareness. We really didn't know much about climate change in those days but depletion of resources and pollution and the sheer volume of domestic waste just needed a grasp of simple arithmetic. We had a campaign against overpackaging. Sardines, for example, would be in a can inside a paperboard box in a plastic wrapper. This was in the days before we all had printers on our desks, so we wrote out, by hand, hundreds of adhesive labels which said: "THIS PRODUCT IS OVERPACKAGED! PLEASE DON'T BUY IT!" As you can imagine, getting all that on a 1/2 " x 1" label was painstaking. We'd hit the local Budgens* supermarket and find the sardines or toothpaste or whatever we thought was overpackaged and stick our little labels on it. They were pissed at us but we were never prosecuted. We made a habit of scanning the place beforehand - which products are we going for and which aisles are they on? - and try to be in and out in three minutes on the actual label raid.
*While writing this I wondered if Budgens was still around: I don't think I've seen one since the seventies. Well, yes they are. And I found this piece:
Budgens becomes first British supermarket to introduce plastic-free zones. 45 years later it had an effect so well done Budgens.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:34 pm
by Long Run
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:43 pm
by Crackpot
RayThom wrote:Well, my neighborhood he-man identity remains intact. I only visit the recycle bin at night.
Of course s you know night time visits to the recycle bin is what highway rest stops used to be.
The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:57 pm
by RayThom
Crackpot wrote:RayThom wrote:Well, my neighborhood he-man identity remains intact. I only visit the recycle bin at night.
Of course s you know night time visits to the recycle bin is what highway rest stops used to be.
Damn! The secret is out. I like counting the trucker bombs I find.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:48 pm
by Long Run
fwiw, I see far more men at recycling centers or taking items out to the curbside recycling. But like Joe, I find it cathartic to be doing curls with a 20lb barbell in one hand while I take recycle items out with the other hand.
As for plastic recycling, China stopped buying our low-grade plastic for the purported reason that too much of it was contaminated (i.e., too much garbage mixed in with the recyclable plastic). However, the good plastic is still recycled here, so soda bottles and the like that carry the redemption fees are still recyclable. And our major grocery stores are back to taking plastic bags and selling/giving them to Trex for their outdoor deck products. However, as noted, the best strategy is to use less plastic; my car is pretty clean except the back area which is a mess of grocery bags of various stripes.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:24 pm
by Joe Guy
ex-khobar Andy wrote:
Less of the farting, please JG. That's mostly methane which is about 25 times worse than CO2 as a greenhouse gas.
Should I breathe less too? Even though farts are 25 times worse than CO2, I breathe a lot more than I fart.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:56 pm
by MGMcAnick
China has quit taking much of our scrap steel too. We're being punished for the tariffs added by President Drumpf's decrees. Then there's the lowering the value of their money to keep pace with the tariffs. Someone needs to explain basic economics to that guy.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:45 am
by Joe Guy
And the day after I wrote about how easy it is to recycle in the Bay Area, I read this article:
California's largest recycling business closes all 284 centers, lays off 750
SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) — California's largest operator of recycling redemption centers shut down Monday and laid off 750 employees.
RePlanet closed all 284 of its centers, and company president David Lawrence said the decision was driven by increased business costs and falling prices of recycled aluminum and PET plastic, the San Jose Mercury News reported.
The move came three years after RePlanet closed 191 of its recycling centers and laid off 278 workers.
Now many San Francisco Bay Area residents have few or no options for redeeming their recyclables, which is especially concerning for those who live in poverty or experience homelessness and rely on recycling for income.
RePlanet had three locations in San Francisco: one on Bayview Blvd., one on Williams Ave., and one at Pacific Supermarket. There were also three centers in Alameda.
Consumer Watchdog, a nonprofit that studies issues in California's recycling industry, estimated that more than 40% of all redemption centers have closed in the last five years. The closures result in consumers only getting back about half of their nickel and dime bottle and can deposits, according to a recent report from the nonprofit.
The closures also mean that more bottles made of aluminum and polyethylene terephthalate, or PET, will end up in landfills. People will either throw their recyclables directly into the garbage, or place them in curbside recycling bins, which are often filled with contaminated material that must be discarded. China, which has bought much of the U.S.'s recyclable material, has become stricter about what kinds of material it will accept.
Advocates are urging the state to reform how it subsidizes recycling centers to account for rising operating costs in the wake of continuously low aluminum and plastic prices.
source
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:21 am
by ex-khobar Andy
I'm confused. Why are alumin(i)um prices falling? I thought that the net effect of Trump's tariffs, whether or not you agreed with them, would increase the price.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:28 pm
by BoSoxGal
My sophomore HS honors English teacher showed us this film - as I recall he felt it was full of great examples of the use of symbolism, though I suspect he just wanted to annoy the principle.
Anyway, the plastics scene has been on my mind repeatedly over recent decades. I wonder if Dustin Hoffman thinks of it a lot, too?
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:57 pm
by Big RR
At the time of that film, plastics, and more generally chemicals, were seen by many to be the savior of the world. The chemical companies could produce cheap polymers to fashion a number of articles without the need to risk people's lives mining and refining metals, they could be used to grossly enhance crop yields and kill off pests and weeds, they could produce many medicines to treat conditions without surgery, and had thousands of other uses to enhance mankind. Plastics at that time were akin to biotechnology now, full of promise, but most people weren't as cynical then (except for a few who were pretty much ignored)--we were on the verge of landing a man on the moon and technology was going to be out savior. Even the large corporations proudly claimed their chemical heritage--Allied Chemical, Stauffer Chemical, Union Carbide, American Cyanamid, all trumpeted their contribution to this great revolution (and then distanced themselves afterwards as they changed their names when chemicals were no longer in that same vaunted position. I've often been amused with that scene, as it really did reveal how society was in 1966-67, on the verge of a big change.
Re: The fragility of the heterosexual male ego
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:27 pm
by liberty
“Shit For Brains” is full of infected shit. I recycle everything I can, waste very little, cross my legs at the knees and sit to pee whenever I feel like it. And I don’t give a damn what anyone thinks of my masculinity.