Diplomatic immunity

[wesw]

crazy girls are generally g00d in bed th0ugh......

[BoSoxGal]

but is leaving the country when you are obviously the chief witness to a death "an entirely legal action"?

Yes, absent a legal prohibition against it. ‘We’d prefer you didn’t leave town’ from the fuzz does not a legal mandate make.

I’m not saying she’s not an asshole - at very least she has unnecessarily exacerbated the anguish of that young man’s family and that is repugnant. As a white woman of much privilege she certainly has nothing to fear from the court system in England and the decent thing would be to voluntarily return and face responsibility for her deadly mistake.

[MGMcAnick]

Quoting Donald Trump:"The woman was driving on the wrong side of the road. And that can happen, you know. Those are the opposite roads. That happens. I won't say it ever happened to me, but it did," Trump told reporters Wednesday."

I was not aware that Donald Trump knew how to drive on either side of the road, or pond for that matter.

[ex-khobar Andy]

I won't say it ever happened to me, but it did

I know Trump often contradicts himself, but you have to admit that doing it all within one sentence takes some skill. Impressive, bigly impressive.

[Joe Guy]

Trump has a way with words. Surely the wayest of any president ever in our history.

[ex-khobar Andy]

The parents of Harry Dunn met with Trump at the WH today and they were offered the opportunity to meet with Ms Sacoolas who was apparently in the building. Apparently Trump told them that, despite her no longer having diplomatic immunity, Sacoolas would not return to the UK to face whatever justice might have in store. Not surprisingly they declined to meet with Sacoolas.

Sacoolas (assuming that she wasn't drunk and AFAIK there is no suggestion that she was) made a terrible tragic mistake. I doubt that she would be jailed and I think that she'd probably be fined and banned from driving for a year or so. There are lessons to be learned and maybe she could help with that.

Julian Assange is still in a London jail and awaiting an extradition hearing. I think he's probably a sexual turd based on the reports from Sweden and that's a lot to overlook. I think he did the word a service with the release of some of the Iraq information. I think BloJo should see if Sweden still want him - and AFAIK they don't - and then release him.

[BoSoxGal]

This woman Sacoolas is a contemptible piece of shit. She should have the basic decency to be accountable for her actions - it’s the UK, not some nefarious place with a completely corrupt legal system. She’ll get a fine and a license suspension, in a place where she doesn’t even intend to live.

Oh but she apologized. Bitch.


I know I’m not supposed to, but it’s hard not to wish on this woman the kind of grief she’s caused those poor parents and the surviving twin - even if it means one of her innocent kids gets dead. I mean with her for a mother they are probably entitled asses who take no responsibility for themselves - we have way too many of those as it is.

[ex-khobar Andy]

Apparently Trump had her waiting in the next room while he was meeting with the parents of Harry Dunn. This was unknown to them until the meeting. They declined to meet her "describing it as “not appropriate” with no mediators or therapists present."

Wow. He must have seen this as a reality TV moment. Here's the big reveal! This man does not miss an opportunity to display his total and utter turdishness. They apparently did feel that Trump was sincere, so maybe I'm being hard on him.

A statement previously released on Sacoolas’s behalf said she spoke with authorities at the scene of the accident and again the following day and would continue to cooperate with them. It said: “Anne is devastated by this tragic accident. No loss compares to the death of a child and Anne extends her deepest sympathy to Harry Dunn’s family.”

She could cooperate by showing up for an interview. I'm sure that her deepest sympathy and devastation is a comfort to Harry's parents.

[Econoline]

From Adam-Troy Castro on Facebook:

• Inhuman.
  
  If you don't want to click: the parents of the teen killed by a diplomat driving on the wrong side of the road were invited to the White House to talk about their loss.
  
  What you need to know is that they wanted to meet the culprit eventually. What they wanted was for the woman who killed their son to be prosecuted on British soil, and then -- they advocated this -- to get a suspended sentence. They honestly didn't want her to go to prison. They wanted this legal formality, this acknowledgment that their loss meant something. At this point they would have been amenable to meeting her, even being conciliatory.
  
  The President entered the room, talked about how terrible their loss was, and expressed regret in Trump-speak. They told him they wanted the woman to face legal consequences in Britain and they told him, "If it happened to your son, you would want the same thing." Showing rare humanity for him, Trump said, "Yes, I would."
  
  He THEN told them the woman who killed their son was on the other side of the door and that they were expected to meet with her, and have pictures taken. Basically, a photo opportunity to show the world that all was forgiven.
  
  Folks, we have had other Presidents with psychotic policies, other Presidents who were socially clueless. But up until now, most of the worst of them did not approach human relationships from the perspective of an alien from outside the species. Richard Nixon, awful as he was, deflected the attention of hookers provided him by supporters by awkwardly showing them photos of his daughters. I hate him but that makes me love him a bit. Dubya, confronted by the mother of a war casualty, walked away admitting, "I deserved that." I hate him but that makes me love him a bit. It doesn't take much. You know. Simple knowledge of how one human being deals with another, a basic expertise available even to monsters.
  
  This is sociopathy of another color, orange. Trump actually thought that these grieving parents would say, "Oh, absolutely, we'll let you off the hook. Let's meet the nice lady. We'll take pictures."

ETA: One of the comments on the above post: “So it was supposed to be like ‘This Is Your Life’ only with ‘Son's Death’ instead of "Life’.”

[Scooter]

Beat me to it. I was about to post a story about this in the "You really couldn't make this shit up" thread. What sort of demented, sociopathic thought process goes into attempting to ambush grieving parents with a photo op with their son's killer?

[rubato]

What a Jerry Springer moment. Not telling them in advance to give them a chance to refuse or to compose themselves is just despicable.


yrs,
rubato

[BoSoxGal]

They did actually refuse and the meeting didn’t take place. Probably someone on the staff with more humanity than Trump convinced him to refrain from actually springing her on them.

He has despicable instincts.

[Lord Jim]

It's just impossible to even begin to comprehend just how low this piece of filth is capable of going...

It's a never ending Journey To The Center Of The Earth...

[ex-khobar Andy]

Apparently Northamptonshire police will travel to the US to interview Mrs Sacoolas.

From the BBC report: Speaking at a press conference, Mr Adderley [Northants police chief] said Mrs Sacoolas "wants to be personally interviewed by officers from Northamptonshire Police in order for them to see her and the devastation this has caused her and her family".

Well she could travel to the UK, for one thing. And I dare say that Harry Dunn's parents have some idea of the devastation caused to Mrs Sacoolas's family.

[BoSoxGal]

She’s been charged with death by dangerous driving; her lawyer says she’ll refuse to return voluntarily to the UK.

What a cunt.


I hope that other cunt in the WH doesn’t do anything to interfere with her lawful extradition.

[ex-khobar Andy]

I see that the US is accusing Saudi Arabia of surreptitiously flying home their citizens who are embroiled in legal trouble. This include offenses such as traffic violations, rape, child pornography and manslaughter.

I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you.

[ex-khobar Andy]

And yes, Pompeo has refused the extradition request.

I'm not sure what leverage the UK has left. There's always an appeal to common decency, I suppose.

[Econoline]

"Common decency"?

Yeah, I remember that.

Goddammit...now I feel really really *REALLY* old.

[wesw]

where was that thread where I cussed, just fr the j0y 0f cussing?

[ex-khobar Andy]

The family of Harry Nunn say that the Home Secretary, Dominic Raab, is 'incandescent' with rage because the US won't extradite Anne Sacoolas for questioning by police. He says he will take it up with Pompeo tomorrow in London but I suspect that his mood will be somewhat mollified by BloJo who will be anxious not to put the brakes on the wonderful huge bigly trade deal Trumplestiltskin has promised.

So they will have a quick laugh about it and a press statement full of words like 'firm' and 'resolute' and 'frank exchange of views' and 'differences of opinion' will be issued and nothing will happen.

Of course it doesn't help that Prince Andrew is not talking to the Epstein inquiry.

Seems like a fair trade to me: UK puts the shackles on Andrew and bundles him onto a plane (middle seat near the back please - American Airlines I think) to Newark and the US sends Sacoolas over on the return flight. Works for me.