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Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:10 am
by Joe Guy
Is anybody here as paranoid as people on tv, radio and internet seem to want you to be? What are you doing differently? I've avoided crowds and am washing my hands more often but I'm still going to grocery stores to buy food and I've been to Home Depot and CVS. But I normally avoid crowds anyway but wash my hands less often than I am doing now.
Also, I noticed at the store that all the anti-bacterial soap is sold out, which is not going to do anything for the COVID-19 virus.
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:25 am
by TPFKA@W
My husband was working alongside a woman who was very ill and would not go home. She ended up testing positive for influenza A. Bitch. Now he is sneezing and coughing too much to go out because I am sure he would be stoned. He is wearing a mask around here. I GOT MY flu shot, while he did not, but I am not taking any chances I am a drill sergeant about him washing his hands. So far he is not showing actual signs of flu or I will march him off for a swab. I am not working due to having broken my 5th metatarsal on the job and am having some complications. I had him drop me off at the grocery to get a few things and was lucky enough to find some toilet paper. I only took one package. I looked stylish hobbling through the masses with my big gray boot.
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:37 am
by BoSoxGal
Any kind of soap works on coronavirus, including antibacterial - it’s not the antibacterial that kills the virus, is the act of washing with soap and water that bursts the virus and ‘kills’ it.
That’s why you don’t have to have bleach or disinfectant wipes/cleaners to kill the virus on your counters, doorknobs, etc. either - you just need soap and water. Ask any microbiologist or epidemiologist if you don’t believe me.
Here:
So why does soap work so well on the Sars-CoV-2, the coronavirus and indeed most viruses? The short story: because the virus is a self-assembled nanoparticle in which the weakest link is the lipid (fatty) bilayer. Soap dissolves the fat membrane and the virus falls apart like a house of cards and dies – or rather, we should say it becomes inactive as viruses aren’t really alive.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegu ... infectants
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:01 am
by Joe Guy
TPFKA@W wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:25 am
........I am not working due to having broken my 5th metatarsal on the job and am having some complications......
I'm sorry to hear about that. Did you do that tripping a toddler?
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:05 am
by Long Run
BoSoxGal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:37 am
Any kind of soap works on coronavirus,
I made that point in the other thread, but it can't be emphasized enough. Regular old bar soaps are in plentiful supply and work just as well.
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:07 am
by Long Run
Joe Guy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:01 am
TPFKA@W wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:25 am
........I am not working due to having broken my 5th metatarsal on the job and am having some complications......
I'm sorry to hear about that. Did you do that tripping a toddler?
She said it was at work, so I'm going with actual kicking the butt of a recalcitrant patient. She does plenty of that around here, virtually.
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:08 am
by Joe Guy
BoSoxGal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:37 am
Any kind of soap works on coronavirus, including antibacterial - it’s not the antibacterial that kills the virus, is the act of washing with soap and water that bursts the virus and ‘kills’ it.
I'm aware of that but I think most people aren't because there's no shortage of regular soap.
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:14 am
by Long Run
Joe Guy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:08 am
there's no shortage of regular soap.
Due to a big lye?
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:56 am
by TPFKA@W
Long Run wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:07 am
Joe Guy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:01 am
TPFKA@W wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:25 am
........I am not working due to having broken my 5th metatarsal on the job and am having some complications......
I'm sorry to hear about that. Did you do that tripping a toddler?
She said it was at work, so I'm going with actual kicking the butt of a recalcitrant patient. She does plenty of that around here, virtually.
So the aid comes tearing down the hall and says patient is dead. I dashed down and found him looking quite dead but actually not dead. He was having a seizure with a rather atypical presentation. We were moving him to the bed and wallah, cue loud crunch sound. My metatarsal making its death cry. It hurt like a sumbitch. To my credit we did not drop him and I finished my shift. Ambulation is painful and I will be getting an MRI next Friday to try and figure out WTF is going on and it's not letting up on the pain. Very vexing. Peskier than Joe.
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:28 am
by Joe Guy
I admire your dedication to the patient in spite of the throe of your toe.
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:33 am
by rubato
Broken bones are "exquisitly painful" as I can attest. All three long bones on my right arm in one go. two ribs and three toes (all at differently times).
yrs,
rubato
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:09 am
by BoSoxGal
Joe Guy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:10 am
Also, I noticed at the store that all the anti-bacterial soap is sold out, which is not going to do anything for the COVID-19 virus.
When you said ‘is not going to do anything’ my plain reading of it was that you thought antibacterial soap wasn’t effective on virus. That was why I responded, because that statement is essentially wrong.
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:41 am
by Joe Guy
We can argue about the statement being wrong or right if you want. I guess I made the mistaken assumption that when I pointed out that all anti-bacterial soap had been sold out, most people reading that would realize that I was implying that customers were probably thinking the anti-bacterial ingredient can kill a virus.
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:49 am
by BoSoxGal
Yes, and as I pointed out - it can, because it’s in SOAP.
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:00 am
by Scooter
I think that Joe's point is that regular soap would be just as effective; therefore there would be no point in buying out the stock of anti-bacterial soap (unless regular soap was sold out, I suppose).
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:18 am
by BoSoxGal
Yes, I know. But nevertheless he stated it rather poorly.
And those folks won’t have to worry as much about bacterial illnesses in the meantime.
(Although widespread use of antibacterial soaps is thought to be linked to the rise of resistant bacteria, so really they should just be done away with in favor of good old fashioned soap.)
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:55 am
by Bicycle Bill
HOW THE VIRUS SPREADS —
-"BB"-
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:00 am
by Joe Guy
Scooter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:00 am
I think that Joe's point is that regular soap would be just as effective; therefore there would be no point in buying out the stock of anti-bacterial soap (unless regular soap was sold out, I suppose).
Yes.
BoSoxGal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:18 am
Yes, I know. But nevertheless he stated it rather poorly.
No. You interpreted it poorly...
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:08 am
by BoSoxGal
Bicycle Bill wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:55 am
HOW THE VIRUS SPREADS —
-"BB"-
Pretty terrible photoshop, the pixelation around that paste job is awful.
Then there really are lots of folks on Facebook and elsewhere in the social media universe pushing a theory that this pandemic is a plot to impose lethal vaccinations on the global populace, and in the meantime all the restrictions are meant to starve people and steal their property, etc.
Are you one of those?
Re: Another COVID-19 Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:55 am
by Gob
All travellers coming into Australia will need to self-isolate for 14 days, as the Morrison government escalates its response to the coronavirus outbreak.
Cruise ships will also be banned from docking in Australia for at least 30 days, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said after a meeting of the new National Cabinet on Sunday.
Mr Morrison said the new measures - which come into effect from midnight on Sunday - would help "flatten the curve" and slow the spread of the virus.
There are now 250 cases of COVID-19 in Australia.
Deputy chief medical officer Professor Paul Kelly said while the number may seem low, it was high compared to this time a week ago, with increasing community transmission.
"The next proportional step to take [is] to decrease those travel-related illnesses," Dr Kelly said.
It would be an offence under state and territory law to break self-isolation within two weeks of entering the country, with Australians encouraged to police each other.
Guess who flies back to Aus a week tomorrow, to be with her 85 year old mother?