China has a problem and it's not the Wuhan flu.

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:36 pm
How very stupid
Got Chinese in SA helping out with infrastructure? Maybe nosing into Eskom? Hmmm?
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"(WASHINGTON) — The Trump administration moved Wednesday to block Chinese airlines from flying to the U.S. in an escalation of trade and travel tensions between the two countries.The Transportation Department said it would suspend passenger flights of four Chinese airlines to and from the United States starting June 16."
Darren, that'll teach 'em.
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Darren wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:04 pm
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:36 pm
How very stupid
Got Chinese in SA helping out with infrastructure? Maybe nosing into Eskom? Hmmm?
Russians in Eskom, old boy. And the Cuban fifth column in the hospitals. They be here.

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:26 am
Darren wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:04 pm
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:36 pm
How very stupid
Got Chinese in SA helping out with infrastructure? Maybe nosing into Eskom? Hmmm?
Russians in Eskom, old boy. And the Cuban fifth column in the hospitals. They be here.

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Cuban doctors have no choice but to do what they're told. Their families are kept in Cuba to ensure the doctors and any money received returns to Cuba.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:00 pm

Cuban doctors have no choice but to do what they're told. Their families are kept in Cuba to ensure the doctors and any money received returns to Cuba.
This just in - rain is wet
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"Han Kuo-yu, the opposition candidate in this year’s Taiwanese presidential election, has been removed as mayor of the city of Kaohsiung following an unprecedented recall vote on Saturday.

Han, 62, conceded defeat after more than 900,000 eligible voters backed his removal for being“unfit”for office

He was the first Taiwanese official ever to be removed in this way, a result that will have a ripple effect on future elections.

It was also a reflection of the growing resentment on the island towards mainland China after Beijing announced plans for a national security law in Hong Kong last month, analysts said."
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The way to defeat China is to be true to ourselves

By Tom Malinowski
June 3, 2020 at 9:45 a.m. CDT

Six years ago on the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre, I wrote in The Post that the freedom demanded by China’s dissidents was “vital to exposing and correcting environmental, public health and product safety problems in China, which increasingly affect Americans, too.” I aimed that argument largely at the U.S. foreign policy establishment, including some of my colleagues in the Obama administration.

At that time, the consensus was that differences with China should be managed without risking its cooperation on issues such as Iran or climate change, or personal diplomacy with Chinese leaders. Now, a consensus is emerging that China’s totalitarian system affects American lives and that Beijing should not be allowed to export beyond its borders its intimidation of critics, mass surveillance and corruption. Issues that previous administrations tried to manage separately — the Chinese government’s theft of intellectual property, attempted annexation of the South China Sea and crackdown in Hong Kong — are increasingly seen as raising the same question: Can powerful states do what they want, or must they respect a rule of law rooted in democratic values?

Democrats and Republicans should agree that this question is worth settling in our favor — and by “our” I mean America, U.S. allies and all those in China who want to live in a freer and fairer society.

This doesn’t mean deflecting to China all blame for the coronavirus pandemic. In January and February, when President Trump was obsequiously praising Chinese President Xi Jinping’s handling of the outbreak, his administration knew that the Chinese government was lying to the world. I’d like to know why Trump and his advisers fell for those lies.

That said, as long as Americans accept responsibility for our government’s actions, it’s right to hold China’s rulers accountable for theirs, and to root a new China policy in U.S. interests and values.

Sometimes, that will require directly taking on the Chinese government, whether by imposing sanctions on Chinese officials and companies responsible for gross human rights abuses and nuclear proliferation, stopping American companies from working with China’s surveillance apparatus, or prohibiting U.S. firms from punishing employees who criticize Chinese policies. There is bipartisan support in Congress for all these steps.


Still, the test of an effective China policy is not how tough it sounds but whether it maximizes the United States’ comparative advantages — including the virtues of our democratic system and the quality of our allies — while exposing the poverty of what Beijing has to offer. This shouldn’t be hard given how bad the Chinese government is at winning and keeping friends. Yet it’s not what the United States is doing.

An American government that really wanted to stick it to the Chinese Communist Party would be reinforcing U.S. alliances in Asia, instead of threatening to withdraw troops from South Korea and Japan until they pay extortionate rates for U.S. bases. Imagine Ronald Reagan going to Berlin during the Cold War and saying “Pay up, or we’re leaving” instead of “tear down this wall.” That’s how the United States is treating its allies in Asia today.


Our diplomats would be playing to win at the United Nations, instead of being told to walk away like losers from every international entity China is trying to influence, including the World Health Organization. The United States would be leading the world in making eventual covid-19 vaccines available to all who need them, instead of skipping international pledging conferences and letting China fill the vacuum.

The United States would be building global coalitions to challenge China’s predatory trade practices, instead of simultaneously sanctioning allies, facing China alone and hinting we’ll back down if Beijing buys some of our wheat. Our government would be investing in research and development, fixing infrastructure and refusing to let China outspend us in the race to dominate the clean-energy economy.

An administration that really wanted to win an ideological contest with the Chinese Communist Party would stand up for human rights consistently, rather than calling journalists anywhere “the enemy of the people.” It would embrace the idea of the United States as a shining city on a hill that welcomes people seeking freedom and opportunity. It would say to Beijing: “If you suffocate Hong Kong, we’ll open our doors not just to every Hong Konger you persecute, but to all those who want to take their talent and wealth to America.”

With appropriate safeguards, the United States would continue to embrace ordinary Chinese students and academics, instead of helping Beijing stop the brain drain it fears. U.S. leaders would defend Asian Americans instead of using phrases that stoke racism such as “Chinese virus” and that help the Chinese government rally support.


Above all, the United States would frame this as a fight between competing ideals, not countries. Few would join a battle of the United States against China. But if we make it about democracy vs. kleptocracy, and the rule of law vs. the law of the jungle, the United States would have allies to spare, including among the overwhelming share of Chinese people who believe in those values, too.

This is a fight the United States can win, hopefully without firing a shot. But it is not enough to appeal for help; we have to be appealing. The United States has to be everything that China under dictatorship is not: well governed, intolerant of corruption, respectful of privacy, protective of truth-tellers and willing to help — rather than bully — the world. Americans must be realistic about our adversary but also true to ourselves.
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"TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Video-conferencing company Zoom closed an account used by Chinese activists living in the U.S. after they held an online meeting to mark the 31st anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.

Zhou Fengsuo (周鋒鎖), student leader of the Tiananmen Square protests and founder of Humanitarian China, found an account he operated had been inexplicably shut down by the company after organizing an event to commemorate the bloody crackdown, according to a report by Axios. On May 31, Zhou and other Chinese dissidents living the U.S. held an event to mark the 31st anniversary of the massacre, only to find the group's account suddenly closed down a week later."
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Now that's tight news reporting. Three sentences that say the same thing with no conclusion whatsoever.

I had some cookies the other day but they inexplicably disappeared. The unexplained disappearance of the cookies occurred shortly after I purchased them. I was planning to eat cookies with friends but they vanished and we couldn't explain why.
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:50 pm
Now that's tight news reporting. Three sentences that say the same thing with no conclusion whatsoever.

I had some cookies the other day but they inexplicably disappeared. The unexplained disappearance of the cookies occurred shortly after I purchased them. I was planning to eat cookies with friends but they vanished and we couldn't explain why.
Let me know when you start tossing your cookies. I promise I won't laugh. :ok
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Cracks in the facade?

"In April 2019, analysts at Rhodium Group in Hong Kong sat down to assess the financial viability of China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). What they found surprised them. The second Belt and Road Forum had just wrapped up in Beijing and policymakers in the mainland and beyond were starting to voice their concerns. Western leaders feared that China was drowning the emerging world in general, and Africa in particular, in a new wave of debt.

Officials in Beijing pushed back against charges of ‘debt-trap diplomacy’, but they were beginning to stick. China had internal reasons to fret. From the outset, the BRI was unpopular at home. Politicians branded it as a chance to reset the global order, but its people dismissed it as “too generous” to recipient countries, says Scott Morris, a senior fellow at the Center for Global Development (CGD), a Washington-based non-profit.

The project is huge."

https://www.euromoney.com/article/b1lx4 ... t-and-road
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Xi vs. Li:

"China faces exceptionally high unemployment, with many struggling to find jobs. The coronavirus pandemic has dampened economic sentiment and discouraged companies from hiring.

One private estimate says the country's jobless rate could be 20% if migrant workers who lost jobs in urban areas and returned to their hometowns are included.

How can China weather the current economic storm? Who will be the savior that presents specific measures to lead the country out of the crisis? Ordinary Chinese are now debating these questions.

The hottest topic among them? The treatment of street stalls selling cheap food, clothing and sundries.

Over the past several years, President Xi Jinping's regime has cracked down on stalls as part of efforts to maintain security and strengthen governance. Li's public endorsement of the street vendors is seen as a policy reversal."

https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/ ... Li-at-odds
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The hottest topic among them? The treatment of street stalls selling cheap food, clothing and sundries
If they ban the sale of sundries, won't that ruin the informal Chinese laundry business?
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You really clotheslined him with that idea.

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"NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg warned Saturday that China's increasing influence had created a "fundamental shift in the global balance of power" that should not be overlooked.

In an interview with Germany's Welt am Sonntag newspaper, that was released in advance, the Norwegian official said that Beijing had the second-largest defense budget in the world after the United States, and was investing heavily in nuclear weapons and long-range missiles that could reach Europe.

"One thing is clear: China is coming ever closer to Europe's doorstep," he said. "NATO allies must face this challenge together.""
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But I thought you wanted military withdrawals.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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"“We are definitely seeing growing cooperation between Five Eyes nations on their response to China, evidenced by their swift issuing of a joint statement on Hong Kong and announcement of a Five Eyes economic dialogue to coordinate the production of strategic goods,” Downer said.

“The swiftness of the change in policy in the UK over 5G and agreement among Five Eyes nations to establish a D10 of democratic and like-minded countries to cooperate on 5G technology is another good example of how China’s aggressive diplomacy has quickly aligned Five Eyes nations’ strategic thinking about Chinese investments in critical infrastructure.”

She added that there was now a “concerted and much more open effort among Five Eyes to focus on economic cooperation around countries with shared values and strategic thinking”.
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“If the [Wolf Warrior diplomacy] is intended to intimidate to elicit compliance, it’s really backfired because there is now this so-called Five Eyes engagement between ministers and government agencies in collaboration well outside the intelligence domains that they were quite happy to admit to in public,” Blaxland said.
And the cooperation did not stop at the five members. Citing India’s agreement to buy more barley from Australia, Blaxland said nations such as France and even Germany, Japan and India that were friendly with the alliance could work with Five Eyes to neutralise China’s moves.

“The Five Eyes is thinking if they were to respond individually to China they are going to get robbed. So to have any traction with Beijing they will have to coordinate their response, because what China is doing is being coercive, playing one off against another,” Blaxland said."

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-econ ... ited-front
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"Some 54 scientists have resigned or been fired as a result of an ongoing investigation by the National Institutes of Health into the failure of NIH grantees to disclose financial ties to foreign governments. In 93% of those cases, the hidden funding came from a Chinese institution.

The new numbers come from Michael Lauer, NIH’s head of extramural research. Lauer had previously provided some information on the scope of NIH’s investigation, which had targeted 189 scientists at 87 institutions. But his presentation today to a senior advisory panel offered by far the most detailed breakout of an effort NIH launched in August 2018 that has roiled the U.S. biomedical community, and resulted in criminal charges against some prominent researchers, including Charles Lieber, chair of Harvard University’s department of chemistry and chemical biology.

“It’s not what we had hoped, and it’s not a fun task,” NIH Director Francis Collins said in characterizing the ongoing investigation. He called the data “sobering.”"
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Drivel wrote:
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"Some 54 scientists have resigned or been fired as a result of an ongoing investigation by the National Institutes of Health into the failure of NIH grantees to disclose financial ties to foreign governments.In 93% of those cases, the hidden funding came from a Chinese institution.The new numbers come from Michael Lauer, NIH’s head of extramural research. Lauer had previously provided some information on the scope of NIH’s investigation, which had targeted 189 scientists at 87 institutions. But his presentation today to a senior advisory panel offered by far the most detailed breakout of an effort NIH launched in August 2018 that has roiled the U.S. biomedical community,and resulted in criminal charges against some prominent researchers, including Charles Lieber, chair of Harvard University’s department of chemistry and chemical biology.“It’s not what we had hoped,and it’s not a fun task,”NIH Director Francis Collins said in characterizing the ongoing investigation.He called the data “sobering.”"
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RayThom wrote:
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Holy shit, Darren, is this true?
You took the words right out of my mouth!

Is Denmark in China?

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