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Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Sat May 02, 2020 2:54 am
by BoSoxGal
Prime Minister announces ban on assault-style firearms
May 1, 2020
Ottawa, Ontario
One Canadian killed by gun violence is one too many. Violent crimes involving firearms continue to have devastating impacts on communities across the country, and on Canadians who have lost loved ones to these crimes. Events like the recent tragedy in Nova Scotia, the attack in 2017 at the Centre culturel islamique de Québec, and the massacre that took place in 1989 at École Polytechnique de Montréal should never have happened. That is why the Government of Canada is introducing measures to combat gun violence, and help keep us safe.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau today announced the ban of over 1,500 models and variants of assault-style firearms. These models represent nine categories of firearms and two types identified by characteristic. Some of their components are also prohibited.

The newly prohibited firearms and components cannot be legally used, sold, or imported. Owners must also continue to safely store them, and may only transfer and transport them under limited circumstances. These measures will remove dangerous firearms designed for military use from our communities, and help ensure that Canadian families and communities no longer suffer from gun violence.

There will be a transition period of two years to protect owners of newly prohibited firearms from criminal liability while they take steps to comply with these new rules. This two-year amnesty order under the Criminal Code is in effect until April 30, 2022. There are exceptions under the amnesty for Indigenous peoples exercising Aboriginal or treaty rights to hunt, and for those who hunt or trap to sustain themselves or their families. These exceptions will allow for the continued use of newly prohibited firearms in limited circumstances until a suitable replacement can be found. By the end of the amnesty period, all firearms owners must comply with the ban.

The Government of Canada intends to implement a buy-back program as soon as possible to safely remove these firearms and to introduce legislation as early as possible, working with Parliament and through public consultation.

Quotes

“Because of gun violence, people are dying, families are grieving, and communities are suffering. It must end. Assault-style firearms designed for military use have no place in Canada. By removing them from our streets, we will limit the devastating effects of gun-related violence and help make our country safer.”

The Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada
“Prohibiting these firearms immediately freezes the market in Canada for the most prevalent assault-style firearms that are not suitable for hunting or sports shooting purposes. These dangerous firearms are designed for the battlefield, not for communities, but have been used tragically to target women, students and worshippers because they are efficient in maximizing fatalities. Today’s initiative is the first step in a broader firearms strategy that will address illegal activities, violence, and self-harm. Our government is also committed to protecting public safety, while ensuring hunters, farmers, and law-abiding recreational firearms owners are also treated respectfully and fairly.”

The Hon. Bill Blair, Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
“Weapons designed for the battlefield have no place on our streets or in our communities. Canadians gave us a clear mandate to ban these dangerous weapons. That is exactly what we are doing with the targeted measures we are announcing today.”

The Hon. David Lametti, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada

Quick Facts

In Canada, there are currently over 100,000 restricted firearms among the models that are now prohibited. This number does not include other newly-prohibited models that were not subject to registration requirements.
An individual should not deliver a firearm to a police station without first making arrangements with a police officer for a safe and scheduled delivery or pick up. Individuals should not surrender their firearm while physical distancing requirements are in effect during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Firearms owners must keep their firearms securely stored in accordance with the storage requirements until more information on the buy-back program is available.
A Criminal Code amnesty is in place until April 30, 2022, to protect lawful owners from criminal liability and to enable them to comply with the law. Under the amnesty, the newly prohibited firearms can only be transferred or transported within Canada for specific purposes.
Unless you are an Indigenous person exercising treaty rights to hunt or a sustenance hunter, you can only transfer or transport in accordance with the amnesty, such as to:
have them deactivated by an approved business
return them to a lawful owner’s residence
export them lawfully
surrender them to police without compensation
The only bad news is that probably a lot of those assault weapons will be exported for sale to the USA over the next two years.

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Sat May 02, 2020 1:56 pm
by Burning Petard
Here I go again, beating a very dead horse. Banning assault style firearms? Style means banning a gun because of its appearance. What if the gun is pink with green polka-dots. What if it has the magazine buried in the buttstock and is not removable. What if it is black with an extended magazine, looks like a US Military M4 carbine--but the gas transfer chamber has been welded shut and only works as a bolt action, manually moving the bolt handle back and forth to move cartridges into the firing chamber and remove the fired brass.?

Heaven and political correctness forbid that we consider changes to the social conditions that cause people to commit these mass shootings.

The restriction on fiream ownership have increased greatly in the last 75 years, just as the mass shootings also increased. Isn't that the cliche definition of insanity---repeat a process with expectation of different results?

snailgate.

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 2:19 pm
by Scooter
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BS for Canada!

Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 2:37 pm
by Darren
All is not well in Canada as Alberta shoved a large burr under Trudi's saddle.

Alberta has long been miffed at how much they "contribute" to government coffers and get in return ... more stuff they don't need and little to none of what they do need.

Perhaps Trump needs to offer them statehood.

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 7:29 pm
by Scooter
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Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 7:46 pm
by Darren
Scooter wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 7:29 pm
Nothing relevant as usual.
Other than hog hunting, I've never understood the desire for a .223 caliber poodle shooter.

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 1:25 pm
by Darren
An alternative viewpoint from a FB poster.

For extra credit look up the incidences of men, women and children that used an AR or AK type gun to stop home invasions. Some of the criminals had a career ending experience.

"So we literally just had an old man who makes dentures for a living, go to door to door and shoot people (who acquired the guns ILLEGALLY, I might add!), essentially shutting down the whole city he was in for half or actually even the whole day. Imagine what a career criminal could do? Imagine what a couple career criminals could do? Imagine what a person with just a LITTLE BIT of former military training could have done? Imagine being in a situation like that and NOT being able to defend yourself or your family? Think it won't happen to you? People in Nova Scotia thought that, also.

So now our Government just banned guns for NORMAL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. Let that fucking sink in. If you're not mad about this, you should be. It's not even the fact they took the guns away. It's the fact they did it with ZERO debate and zero inquiry from US, THE PEOPLE. We are NOT living in a democracy. They are not protecting us or empowering us by doing this. It's QUITE THE OPPOSITE! Wake the fuck up, people!"

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 1:49 pm
by Big RR
Zero debate and input from the "people" (I presume of Canada)? Even if it were enacted solely by Trudeau, is he not an elected official who can be overruled by the Parliament, removed from office/voted out? Such is the way of a republic.

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 2:49 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
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Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 3:42 pm
by Darren
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 2:49 pm
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They don't always wear black.

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Neither do the good guys always wear black.

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Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 3:50 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Three years later, the Bundy family is still fighting the federal government — but now, from behind bars in Nevada, where they await trial for their roles in the standoff.
Good guys? Armed terrorists you mean. Pity the army didn't obliterate every last one of them. Lovingly, of course.

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 1:54 am
by Bicycle Bill
Darren wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 1:25 pm
"So now our Government just banned guns for NORMAL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. Let that fucking sink in. If you're not mad about this, you should be. It's not even the fact they took the guns away. It's the fact they did it with ZERO debate and zero inquiry from US, THE PEOPLE. We are NOT living in a democracy. They are not protecting us or empowering us by doing this. It's QUITE THE OPPOSITE! Wake the fuck up, people!"
I don't who's the bigger dumbfuck, you or this nameless Facebook poster.  Canada banned specific types of guns; not all guns.  Just like here in the good ol' USA (you know, where happiness can be found in just about every caliber), where things like tommy guns, howitzers, and bazookas are also restricted and controlled.  But you can legally buy, carry, and shoot just about anything else.

And don't tell me that it's just for poking holes in targets.  If that's the case, then please explain the need for Tannerite.  Unless it's a carryover from "Mythbusters" —

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Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 3:13 am
by Darren
I have no idea about tannerite. By federal law Thompson machines guns are legal to own provided you live in a state that permits it and you meet the federal requirements including the ATF background check.

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 3:24 am
by Darren
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 3:50 pm
Three years later, the Bundy family is still fighting the federal government — but now, from behind bars in Nevada, where they await trial for their roles in the standoff.
Good guys? Armed terrorists you mean. Pity the army didn't obliterate every last one of them. Lovingly, of course.
It was the BLM that was involved in the confrontation. At most they may have had M4 or AR poodle shooters against larger caliber and longer range rifles. The BLM guys decided they wanted to live.

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 3:32 am
by Darren
From the Alberta Premier:

"“The Government of Alberta is concerned about all crime, including the illegal use of firearms. Today’s order by Ottawa does little to target criminals. Instead, Ottawa is singling out law-abiding Canadians who purchased their property legally, have owned these items safely for years, and who have committed no crimes,” stated Alberta Premier Jason Kenney.

“We know that the overwhelming majority of firearms used criminally in Canada are smuggled in illegally from the United States. Instead of addressing this, Ottawa will instead spend vast sums of money to criminalize law-abiding Canadians. That money would be far better used to pursue the smugglers and drug gangs that plague our society,” added Kenney."

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?xID= ... 602FDA6F2A

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 3:48 am
by dales
Darren wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 3:13 am
I have no idea about tannerite. By federal law Thompson machines guns are legal to own provided you live in a state that permits it and you meet the federal requirements including the ATF background check.
WRONG!

Depends upon the state where the applicant resides.

I live in CALIFORNIA which is NOT a Class 3 state.

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 3:54 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Darren wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 3:24 am
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 3:50 pm
Three years later, the Bundy family is still fighting the federal government — but now, from behind bars in Nevada, where they await trial for their roles in the standoff.
Good guys? Armed terrorists you mean. Pity the army didn't obliterate every last one of them. Lovingly, of course.
It was the BLM that was involved in the confrontation. At most they may have had M4 or AR poodle shooters against larger caliber and longer range rifles. The BLM guys decided they wanted to live.
Exactly why I wrote it was pity the ARMY didn't obliterate every last terrorist confronting the forces of lawnorder. (I can read you know).

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 3:55 am
by Darren
dales wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 3:48 am
Darren wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 3:13 am
I have no idea about tannerite. By federal law Thompson machines guns are legal to own provided you live in a state that permits it and you meet the federal requirements including the ATF background check.
WRONG!

Depends upon the state where the applicant resides.

I live in CALIFORNIA which is NOT a Class 3 state.
California! That brings other thoughts to mind.

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 4:03 am
by Darren
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 3:54 am

Exactly why I wrote it was pity the ARMY didn't obliterate every last terrorist confronting the forces of lawnorder. (I can read you know).
Take a look at the Posse Comitatus Act.

Re: Bravo, Canada!

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 4:05 am
by dales
Darren wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 3:55 am
dales wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 3:48 am
Darren wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 3:13 am
I have no idea about tannerite. By federal law Thompson machines guns are legal to own provided you live in a state that permits it and you meet the federal requirements including the ATF background check.
WRONG!

Depends upon the state where the applicant resides.

I live in CALIFORNIA which is NOT a Class 3 state.
California! That brings other thoughts to mind.
I imagine it would.

You can't afford to live here, especially in the SF Bay Area.