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Dude...seriously? Millions of people make their own ammunition. (Hell, my uncle has for 60+ years.) Last time I mentioned it, he has supplies for about 100,000 rounds. (He usually has more, but couldn't get it when the world went nuts.) He has at least one rifle that he has hand-loaded every round he has fired from it, firing bullets he cast from brass cases he made and loaded.Bicycle Bill wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:37 am
Or we could just wait until the days of "Mad Max" are upon us. When the world goes to shit, there won't be anyone making shotgun shells, .45 ACP or 9-mm cartridges, or 5.56 NATO rounds. You'll see just how much good those guns will be to you then.
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Nice sound bite or T-shirt slogan, but that's about all it's good for. I suppose you also feel that since you have to register your car, or obtain a license to drive it, you are also being 'enslaved'. But you be you, OK?
Hey, I had a couple of relatives who reloaded their own shotgun shells (I don't know if they reloaded their .30-06 shells or whatever it was that they used for deer hunting), so I know there are people out there who will be able to get by for a while. But what is going to happen when he can't get the primers, or the brass breaks down and deteriorates? Maybe he is the one guy out of ten thousand who has machine tools and the skills to turn and construct his own cases and cast his own bullets, but making the primers is something else again.Jarlaxle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:59 amDude...seriously? Millions of people make their own ammunition. (Hell, my uncle has for 60+ years.) Last time I mentioned it, he has supplies for about 100,000 rounds. (He usually has more, but couldn't get it when the world went nuts.) He has at least one rifle that he has hand-loaded every round he has fired from it, firing bullets he cast from brass cases he made and loaded.
He's been casting his own bullets for decades-it's fairly common. Any decent machine shop-including most voc-tech schools-can made cases out of bar stock. (That's how he got brass for his elephant rifle.) He doesn't make primers, though he probably could. (I know of people who have.) Modern machining doesn't require that much skill, since everything is CAD-CAM now.Bicycle Bill wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:35 am
Hey, I had a couple of relatives who reloaded their own shotgun shells (I don't know if they reloaded their .30-06 shells or whatever it was that they used for deer hunting), so I know there are people out there who will be able to get by for a while. But what is going to happen when he can't get the primers, or the brass breaks down and deteriorates? Maybe he is the one guy out of ten thousand who has machine tools and the skills to turn and construct his own cases and cast his own bullets, but making the primers is something else again.
Or is he using muzzle-loaders and flintlocks?
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Yes, it would. But I understand: you want gun ownership limited to the rich, the well-connected, the police, and criminals.Sue U wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:37 pmShort of repealing the Second Amendment, at the very least (and I mean literally if you want to do the very least possible next to "thoughts and prayers"), before the purchase of any firearm we could require training/periodic recertification, licensing, registration and liability insurance, and tax purchases of guns and ammunition to fund programs reducing the number of guns in circulation. None of that would infringe on any so-called "right" to own a gun.
Primers are literally early 19th century technology. I do not personally know anyone who has made them (though I know of a couple), but it can be done; the simplest is charcoal, potassium chlorate, and sulfur. Every reloader I know has a very large stock of primers because they buy in bulk. (My uncle buys them by the crate, he usually has at least 50,000 of each type he uses except LRM.)Burning Petard wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:47 pmYes, those steps above seem to be on endless repeat, perhaps from way back after the Texas Tower shooting. Now it seems #3 has reached a limit. They are working overtime, yet demand is greater than their capacity. Go into your local gun shop. It looks like the day after a going out of business sale. Shelves, cabinets nearly empty. You want to buy ammo? good luck. Probably the only thing in stock is a weird caliber that has not had a new gun made for it in 75 years.
Jarl, no amount of good machinist's skill will let you make primers. The problem is chemistry. You or liberty know people who have made their own--do they still have all their fingers?
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No, what *I* want is gun ownership broadly outlawed, and when permitted, restricted to only those with an actual demonstrated need that cannot be accommodated by other means. None of what I suggested actually limits gun ownership to "the rich, the well-connected, the police, and criminals," at least not any more than do those same requirements applied to automobiles. And guns in the U.S. are substantially cheaper and more plentiful than automobiles. If the compliance requirements and costs of gun ownership result in people not buying or keeping guns, that's at least a place to start.Jarlaxle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:33 pmYes, it would. But I understand: you want gun ownership limited to the rich, the well-connected, the police, and criminals.Sue U wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:37 pmShort of repealing the Second Amendment, at the very least (and I mean literally if you want to do the very least possible next to "thoughts and prayers"), before the purchase of any firearm we could require training/periodic recertification, licensing, registration and liability insurance, and tax purchases of guns and ammunition to fund programs reducing the number of guns in circulation. None of that would infringe on any so-called "right" to own a gun.
No it would not. It would limit gun ownership to the COMPETENT, and to the SANE.Jarlaxle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:33 pmYes, it would. But I understand: you want gun ownership limited to the rich, the well-connected, the police, and criminals.Sue U wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:37 pmShort of repealing the Second Amendment, at the very least (and I mean literally if you want to do the very least possible next to "thoughts and prayers"), before the purchase of any firearm we could require training/periodic recertification, licensing, registration and liability insurance, and tax purchases of guns and ammunition to fund programs reducing the number of guns in circulation. None of that would infringe on any so-called "right" to own a gun.
