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We cannot live up to your standards

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:24 am
by Gob
Headline news all over the UK today;
Six people, including a child, have died after a gunman repeatedly opened fire in Plymouth, police have confirmed.

The atrocity is being classed as a domestic incident and is not thought to be related to terrorism. Police believe the suspect to have shot himself.

A massive response by police, including armed officers and paramedics, followed the shooting on Thursday just outside the centre of Plymouth in south-western England. In a statement Devon and Cornwall police said: “Police were called to a serious firearms incident in Biddick Drive, in the Keyham area of Plymouth at about 6.10pm.

“Following attendance at the scene, two females and two males were deceased at the scene. A further male, believed to be the offender, was also deceased. All are believed to have died from gunshot wounds.

“Another female treated at the scene for gunshot wounds, died a short time later in hospital.

“All of the next of kin of the deceased have been located and informed by Devon and Cornwall police officers.

“Devon and Cornwall police would stress this is not a terrorism related incident.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... uth-keyham

Re: We cannot live up to your standards

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:52 am
by Bicycle Bill
Obviously this is not a significant incident. You can tell because otherwise, they would have most likely rolled out the word 'atrocity' to express true concern, shock, and outrage.
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Re: We cannot live up to your standards

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:20 am
by Gob
The maniac shooter who murdered five people in Plymouth before turning his gun on himself was a nihilistic YouTuber who fantasised about being The Terminator, ranted about being a 'f***ing fat ugly virgin' and described his affinity with the 'incel' movement linked to mass murder by misogynists in the US and Canada, MailOnline can reveal today.

Jake Davison, 23, a bodybuilder who appears obsessed with not being attractive to women and being without a girlfriend, has been named by people in the Devon naval city as the gunman with a five-year-old girl and several relatives feared to be among his victims.

At 6pm last night the apprentice crane operator was seen shooting indiscriminately before kicking down the door of a house in Biddick Drive, a few doors from his own home, and opening fire with a long-barreled gun on the people inside, believed to be members of his family.

Davison then exited the property and is understood to have walked along the cul-de-sac shooting at strangers, exiting the road on to Royal Naval Avenue and Henderson Place where another person was gunned down. The killer then went into a park where he allegedly ran into the two dog walkers and opened fire in a horrifying incident detectives insist was not terrorism related. His rampage left the young girl, two women, and two men dead. More were injured.

The mass shooting – the first in Britain involving an 'active gunman' for 11 years - will spark an inquiry into how Davison was able to get the weapon in a country with strict gun controls. 'Home Secretary Priti Patel was briefed throughout the evening as was Boris Johnson, who today tweeted; My thoughts are with the friends and family of those who lost their lives and with all those affected by the tragic incident in Plymouth last night. I thank the emergency services for their response'.


Local MP Luke Pollard called the incident 'utterly devastating' and 'probably the darkest day in Plymouth's history since the end of the Second World War', when Nazi Luftwaffe carpet bombed the city and its world-famous docks.

There will also be questions for the police about whether he was known to them before the attack. Devon and Cornwall Police are yet to comment on any contact they may have had with him or how he got the gun,
Between 17 and 23 July, there were at least 915 shootings across the US, killing at least 430 and wounding more than 1,000 people, according to an ABC News analysis of data from the Gun Violence Archive, a non-profit group.

Re: We cannot live up to your standards

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:14 pm
by Bicycle Bill
Bicycle Bill wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:52 am
Obviously this is not a significant incident.  You can tell because otherwise, they would have most likely rolled out the word 'atrocity' to express true concern, shock, and outrage.
edited to add .... I missed it.  They DID use the word.

Ah, the difference between the US and the UK.  There, a shooting incident claims five lives plus the shooter, and it's an 'atrocity' and action is immediately taken to try to prevent such an incident in the future.
Here in the USA, it might get 30 seconds on the evening news, depending on just who got killed, and then it's back to BAU (business as usual).
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Re: We cannot live up to your standards

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:37 am
by Gob
The mass shooting in Plymouth is the first in Britain for more than a decade.

The incident on Thursday in which Jake Davison killed five people before killing himself is said to be the first involving an active shooter for 11 years.

In 2010, taxi driver Derrick Bird killed 12 people in Cumbria and injured 11 others before taking his own life.

Re: We cannot live up to your standards

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:21 am
by BoSoxGal
I have been reading extensively on this terrible heartbreaking case. It seems sadly to be the result of some very serious incompetence on the part of Cornwall police. They claim they didn’t look at his social media in evaluating his dangerousness because it would be ‘an invasion of his privacy’ - his publicly available social media!! He had multiple incidents that brought him to attention of police including an assault, and yet he was still allowed to keep his firearms license and had his firearms returned to him only very recently.

What is the point of license restrictions if they aren’t utilized? There was ample evidence he qualified for red flag treatment and refusal of a license. I certainly hope the police who failed this community will be held accountable, for whatever little comfort it will bring after such a horrific massacre.