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Human Trafficking
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:25 am
by BoSoxGal
Mom says Southwest Airlines thought she was trafficking her biracial daughter
(CNN) — A California woman is accusing Southwest Airlines of racial profiling, saying she was accused of human trafficking while traveling with her biracial daughter.
Mary MacCarthy of Los Angeles told CNN she and her 10-year-old daughter, Moira, were flying to Denver on October 22 after receiving news that MacCarthy's brother had suddenly died.
MacCarthy said they had a brief stop in San Jose and boarded another Southwest flight but realized then that they couldn't be seated together.
"I asked flight attendants if we could be seated together but they told us we'd each have to take a middle seat," MacCarthy said. "So with their permission I asked other passengers if they would kindly move so we could be together, especially as my daughter was grieving, and they did. People are nice."
When they arrived in Denver, MacCarthy said, she and her daughter were met on the jetway by two Denver police officers.
"I got quite a shock; having lost my brother the night before, I thought that someone else in my family had died and that police had been sent to deliver the news!" MacCarthy wrote in an email to Southwest Airlines' media team, which was included in the police report.
"As for my daughter, she was terribly frightened: she was already experiencing the trauma of her uncle's death, and she is scared of police due to constant headlines about how police treat Black people (she is Black). She began to sob and was inconsolable," her email said.
The officers assured her nothing was wrong but said they wanted to question her and her daughter, MacCarthy said.
"They said they were here because my daughter and I were reported for suspicious behavior, acting suspiciously before boarding and while boarding," she said.
"I took out my phone and immediately started recording. I told (the officer) who we were and that my daughter was crying because she had lost a family member," MacCarthy said.
According to a report from the Denver police, "Both Mother and child were cleared."
The report also noted that officers were responding to a "possible Human Trafficking reported by South West flight attendant" -- but MacCarthy says she only found out two weeks later that she was suspected of human trafficking.
"I got a call from Denver Police human trafficking unit letting me know they were following up on the incident," she told CNN.
CNN reached out to the Denver Police Department on Sunday afternoon about MacCarthy's claim but has not received a response.
MacCarthy accuses Southwest Airlines of racial profiling. She says she's retained an attorney and wants the airline to be held "fully accountable."
"I gave the airline plenty of time to contact me and apologize -- over two weeks later, I've yet to receive anything more than two brief automated responses. The time for an apology is long past," MacCarthy said.
In her email to Southwest's media team, MacCarthy said she wanted a written apology from the airline, immediate reimbursement of the full price of their tickets, and "additional compensation to account for the trauma imposed on an innocent family, and especially on a grieving ten year-old Black girl."
Southwest Airlines said it is "disheartened" by MacCarthy's account of the events and plans to reach out to her.
"We are conducting a review of the situation internally, and we will be reaching out to the Customer to address her concerns and offer our apologies for her experience traveling with us. Our Employees undergo robust training on Human Trafficking. Above all, Southwest Airlines prides itself on providing a welcoming and inclusive environment for the millions of Customers who travel with us each year," Southwest Airlines spokesperson Dan Landson said in a statement to CNN on Sunday.
"Had this been a White child, there would not have been a raised eyebrow," MacCarthy's attorney David Lane told CNN.
I’ve seen this story elsewhere including clip from the video she took - their cordial interaction with Denver police lasted in the single digits of minutes and as she states, she didn’t even know what they were checking her out for until they called to follow up later.
The USA is considered to be one of the worst countries for human trafficking (yes I know shocking) with hundreds of thousands of victims. Airline attendants are specially trained to look for the signs of human trafficking and report possible cases to law enforcement authorities. An adult traveling with a child of a different race is one of the potential risk factors. In another story I read it was discussed that this mother and daughter boarded last and that despite securing seats together they never spoke to one another during the flight which also raised the flight attendant’s suspicion.
Suing Southwest and going on a media tour seems an over the top reaction to me, grieving or not grieving - maybe more so for allegedly being in the midst of terrible grief over the loss of her brother. Was a five minute cordial interaction with police where she was asked to present ID in a well lit airline terminal crowded with witnesses really so devastatingly traumatizing? Does this woman mean to suggest that no airline should ever do anything if they have any suspicion of human trafficking involving two people of different races? Does she just have no concern for the issue of human trafficking and the hundreds of thousands of victims? Or just looking for her litigation lotto winnings?
AITA?
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:31 am
by Gob
Storm in a tea cup.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:24 am
by Crackpot
I always get suspicious when the apology demand includes demands for free stuff. Even though the demands aren’t excessive in this case it muddies the issue with potential “perks”.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:12 pm
by Big RR
I can't blame the woman for being upset. At the very least she is due an explanation, if not an apology from the airline. She was not trafficking anyone, and even though the inconvenience was slight, if the cops (or she for that matter) acted differently (and given the emotional nature of the charge, this was a definite possibility), it could have been much worse. And if the report was negligent or reckless, the flight attendant making it should be given additional training at the very least. Or she should be cautioned not to travel with her biracial daughter, because it will raise the presumption of trafficking?
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:12 pm
by Jarlaxle
Well...this guarantees that the person who reported it will NEVER report his/her suspicions again. Not worth the risk, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:41 pm
by Bicycle Bill
Jarlaxle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:12 pm
Well...this guarantees that the person who reported it will NEVER report his/her suspicions again. Not worth the risk, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
Hate to agree with Jarlaxle, but I'm afraid he's right.
-"BB"-
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:28 pm
by Jarlaxle
Big RR wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:12 pm
I can't blame the woman for being upset. At the very least she is due an explanation, if not an apology from the airline. She was not trafficking anyone, and even though the inconvenience was slight, if the cops (or she for that matter) acted differently (and given the emotional nature of the charge, this was a definite possibility), it could have been much worse. And if the report was negligent or reckless, the flight attendant making it should be given additional training at the very least. Or she should be cautioned not to travel with her biracial daughter, because it will raise the presumption of trafficking?
Naah...the flight attendant should be told what she has, unless she is a complete idiot, already figured out: see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Say nothing, do nothing, never get involved, not worth the risk.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:00 pm
by Scooter
And if the airline had simply apologized right away, rather than avoiding speaking to her, that could have been the end of it. Maybe they could have already figured that out, unless they are complete idiots.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:43 pm
by Big RR
I agree that's likely Scooter, but they may be idiots 9as may their lawyers FWIW). An apology can go a long way. And Jarl/Bill, clearly we alll can learn from this and the criteria to be evaluated for reporting can be revisited and made more stringent; just as every heavy (or pregnant for that matter) person is not detained as a possible shoplifter, the criteria used here may cast too broad a net. Unless the Flight Attendant did anything clearly wrong (and I don't know if this is the case based on the small story synopsis), she should not be subjected to any discipline.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:01 pm
by Crackpot
however an apology wasn't asked for. what was demanded was an apology and compensation. that demand probably torpedoed the chance for a quick apology.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:50 am
by BoSoxGal
Big RR wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:43 pm
I agree that's likely Scooter, but they may be idiots 9as may their lawyers FWIW). An apology can go a long way. And Jarl/Bill, clearly we alll can learn from this and the criteria to be evaluated for reporting can be revisited and made more stringent; just as every heavy (or pregnant for that matter) person is not detained as a possible shoplifter, the criteria used here may cast too broad a net. Unless the Flight Attendant did anything clearly wrong (and I don't know if this is the case based on the small story synopsis), she should not be subjected to any discipline.
In another story I read the behavior that alarmed the fight attendant was described as: they boarded last and the older woman was insistent on them sitting together, which passengers accommodated despite their assigned seats being apart, but once seated together they engaged in no conversation that flights attendants could see for the duration of the flight and the child appeared upset.
As someone who was formerly trained on human trafficking while in law enforcement, I can attest that these are all alarming factors which added up with the race difference between them provides a pretty good basis for an honest suspicion of trafficking and a call to 911 so LEOs could assess/investigate.
Traffickers often book flights last minute, which often results in separate seating for multiple passengers but they want to sit together to control the trafficked child/adult. Obviously cordial or affectionate communication is unlikely between a trafficker and his or her trafficked victim. And a difference in race is a likely factor for probably obvious reasons. I honestly don’t see anything wrong with this case outside looking in, including the actual interaction - I’ll post the video if I can find it. Honest citizens who fit a general profile sometimes have to endure a minor inconvenience of interaction with police if we are going to intercede in trafficking cases.
Here’s another case I found from this year:
Black Aurora woman questioned for trafficking white sister at Dallas airport
From that article, about a young black woman traveling with her younger white adopted sister:
For Bailey, the underlying factor is obvious.
"If the roles were changed and it was a white person walking off the plane with a Black person, like a Black child, I feel like things would be different," Bailey said.
Frontier Airlines provided a statement to Denver7 about the matter, confirming a passenger had concerns about human trafficking regarding the pair.
Bailey was apparently wrong, airlines will report cases of mixed race pairs of adults/minors either way, and with the increase in mixed race families that means some nice law abiding people will occasionally get briefly questioned as airlines attempt to help save some of the tens of thousands of children trafficked in the USA every year.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:18 am
by Big RR
Crackpot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:01 pm
however an apology wasn't asked for. what was demanded was an apology and compensation. that demand probably torpedoed the chance for a quick apology.
Well, according to her, "I gave the airline plenty of time to contact me and apologize -- over two weeks later, I've yet to receive anything more than two brief automated responses. The time for an apology is long past,", after which she asked for compensation. Two weeks is a pretty long time to say nothing. It might have just ended if the airline reached out and apologized.
BSG-- "some nice law abiding people will occasionally get briefly questioned as airlines attempt to help save some of the tens of thousands of children trafficked in the USA every year", perhaps, but these numbers should be minimized to the greatest extent possible by having objective reporting criteria. And, if the report is wrong, an apology should be offered right away; it's the ;east they can do.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:56 am
by Jarlaxle
Apologies can create liability.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:46 pm
by Scooter
They are offering to apologize now, I'm sure they are wishing they had done so before she hired a lawyer.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:14 pm
by Big RR
Jarlaxle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:56 am
Apologies can create liability.
True, and it is a tough choice; either deescalate the situation by apologizing or trying to avoid liability by stonewalling. But the longer you stonewall, the more the potential liability escalates. The potential liability isn't just going to go away, and the person just gets more angry.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:22 pm
by BoSoxGal
What is the liability? What harm did they experience interacting with a cordial police officer for 5 minutes in a well lit, witness-packed airport terminal?
Southwest should send her two ticket vouchers and a note saying they're sorry she was inconvenienced by the flight attendant's response to her human trafficking training and desire to save a child from possible exploitation.
Seriously, shame on this woman. What an example she's setting for her daughter. Focus on helping the kid through the grief of losing her uncle, apparently her only father figure (I read that in one of the stories on this incident, can't find it again now), and not on trying to win the litigation lottery.
Watch the video here - you'll have to endure a 15 second advertisement. She's clearly a piece of work, she admits that the flight attendants and police APOLOGIZED in the interaction after the situation was cleared up - but now she wants her 15 minutes+ of fame, plus a big chunk of money. She wants to make bank on her biracial kid. Oh the irony.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mom-biracial ... 00408.html
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:35 pm
by Jarlaxle
She's trying for a lawsuit lottery win.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:23 pm
by Joe Guy
Jarlaxle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:35 pm
She's trying for a lawsuit lottery win.
Bingo!
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:32 am
by Gob
Give her a box of chocolates and tell her to fuck off.
Re: Human Trafficking
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:44 pm
by Big RR
What is the liability? What harm did they experience interacting with a cordial police officer for 5 minutes in a well lit, witness-packed airport terminal?
I didn't say there was any liability; I was only responding Jarl's post.