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Omicron
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:46 am
by Gob
Omicron, the name of the new Covid-19 variant that is sending worrying signals from southern Africa, sounds like something from Transformers.
It has caused panic across the world, among governments, the public and the stock markets. After adding a number of southern African countries to the red list, the UK government has reimposed mandatory masks in England from Tuesday, and will require anyone travelling to the country from abroad to take a PCR test. Omicron is probably the first variant to have scientists worried since Delta became the predominant strain in every country last summer. But how bad it is? What does it mean for future lockdowns – and future deaths?
Scientists are waiting on three pieces of data before they will be able to tell what effect this new variant will have over the next six to 12 months. The first is how infectious Omicron is. Can it outcompete Delta? Earlier this year we saw another worrying variant, Beta, that luckily faded away as a result of a selective advantage in Delta that allowed it to transmit faster between people. Limited data from South Africa shows that Omicron is very infectious, but whether it will become the predominant strain remains to be seen.
The second thing scientists are waiting for is data showing the impact of this new variant on health outcomes – both in terms of hospitalisations and deaths. The reason governments impose lockdown measures is because hospitals fill up; limiting social mixing helps to slow the spread of the virus and reduce the impact on health services. In an optimistic scenario, Omicron may cause less severe disease and become more like the common cold. In a more realistic scenario, it could cause the same disease levels that we’ve seen with Alpha, Beta and Delta.
The third and most concerning piece of data is the potential for Omicron to erode the immunity afforded by vaccines. Crucially, this wouldn’t necessarily mean that our current vaccines would stop working against Omicron. It would mean they would be less effective at stopping transmission – and, most worryingly, at stopping people from going into hospital and dying. This is based on a virological analysis of the sequencing of Omicron’s genome, and we don’t yet know the implications it will have in the real world. Companies such as BioNTech, which developed the Pfizer vaccine, are already trying to gauge the impact their vaccine will have on this variant.
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Re: Omicron
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:46 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Anyone else think it should be omicron? And not Omicron (since the word means "small o" does it not?). Big O would be omega

Re: Omicron
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:53 pm
by Big RR
Meade--as I recall (from my math and science courses), Omega is not a capital Omicron; there are upper and lower case versions of each letter.
And if you are using Omega int he broader sense to mean something equivalent to "the end, I don't see it at this point; time will tell.
Re: Omicron
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:56 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
A joke, Big RR. Because omicron means small o. And omega means big o
That's funny about the end though. Who knows

Re: Omicron
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:02 pm
by Big RR
Sorry, I didn't catch that; I guess it could mean mega (or large) o. And I chuckle in such recognition, and hang my head that I did not see it before.
A tip of may hat to you.
Re: Omicron
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:12 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
Nowadays we use 'long' and 'short' to describe the sounds Greeks designated 'big" (mega) and 'small' (micro).
They have been naming the variants using the Greek alphabet - Alpha, Beta, Gamma and so on. It appears that WHO skipped the Nu and Xi letters (13th and 14th respectively) (
there is a list on Wikipedia here) for as yet unannounced reasons.
The Daily Mail (of course) postulated that they skipped Xi (Greek letter x; uppercase Ξ and lowercase ξ) to avoid embarrassment to Chinese President Xi Jinping. I have not seen the Mail's explanation for bypassing Nu (Greek letter n; Ν and ν) - to me a logical explanation might be that it is usually used by statisticians to denote degrees of freedom and obviously epidemiology is supported by statistical studies so it might be confusing in some contexts: but that seems implausible to me since most of the Greek letters have heavy usage in statistics.
Re: Omicron
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:50 pm
by Big RR
I recall reading that Nu was skipped because it sounded like "new" and the WHO didn't want people to say there was a "new" corona virus instead of the variant of the old one.
Not sure about Chi being skipped; could it have had something to do with its relevance to Christianity?
Re: Omicron
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:40 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
That makes sense about Nu (N) because there would be an obvious confusion with 'new.' But don't confuse the Greek letter Xi (pronounced ''cksi' and is the English letter x) with the Greek letter Chi - pronounced like the 'ch' in Loch with an 'I' and spelled in Greek as Χi where Χ is the letter itself and not an English X. That in itself is enough confusion for WHO to say "let's leave that one out.'
Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:21 am
by Scooter
Chi is way further down in the alphabet. The fact that Xi is a very common Chinese surname is a logical reason for skipping it, in line with the WHO's naming conventions that avoid any personal or geographic associations.
Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:08 am
by Joe Guy
Maybe it should be called the "OMG" variant.
Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:42 am
by Big RR
You are correct about Chi Andy and Sccoter; I guess I missed it because I was never in a fraternity.
Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:48 am
by MajGenl.Meade
And they also skipped mu - didn't want us to be cowed
Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:52 am
by Jarlaxle
There is a new covid variant. The sky is falling. Everyone hide under your beds.
Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:45 am
by Scooter
Scientists are waiting on three pieces of data before they will be able to tell what effect this new variant will have over the next six to 12 months. The first is how infectious Omicron is... The second ... is data showing the impact of this new variant on health outcomes ... The third and most concerning piece of data is the potential for Omicron to erode the immunity afforded by vaccines...we don’t yet know the implications it will have in the real world.
I see a lot of "let's wait and see what the data shows", but no "hide under your beds". Are you prone to panic? Perhaps therapy can help you with that.
Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:25 am
by Gob
If that was addressed at me, then no, I'm the last person to panic.* Just sharing information.
* A lifetime of adventure sports teaches you there is little value in panic.
Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:35 am
by Crackpot
I think it was to the post above his
Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:32 pm
by Gob
I think you're right, apologies Scooter!
Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:02 pm
by Scooter
I thought the "hide under your beds" quote was enough to tie it to the post above, but I probably should have been clearer.
Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:19 pm
by Big RR
MajGenl.Meade wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:48 am
And they also skipped mu - didn't want us to be cowed
Meade--if I'm not mistaken, there is a mu variant, cowed or not.

Re: Omicron
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:40 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
omicron mu delta!!!! There was . . .
Oct. 6, 2021 -- Amid the Delta variant summer surge in COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, some experts warned that the next potential threat was starting to emerge: the Mu variant of the coronavirus. Mu made headlines because its specific mutation meant it could evade vaccine immunity — spiking a new fear among the immunized.
But then an interesting thing happened — the prevalence of Mu in circulation in the U.S. dropped off quickly over a matter of weeks. The robust transmissibility of the Delta variant allowed it to remain the dominant coronavirus strain, despite the risk from Mu, some experts believe.
. . . altho if it's gone, it's a bit of a mu-t point?
