WORDLE – The Internet's Newest Favorite Game
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Wordle 361 4/6*
Daily Dordle 0142 3&7/7
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Daily Quordle 142
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Daily Octordle #142
Score: 74
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Daily Dordle 0142 3&7/7
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Daily Quordle 142
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Daily Octordle #142
Score: 74
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Last edited by BoSoxGal on Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:36 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: WORDLE – The Internet's Newest Favorite Game
When does a word become English? A great many in the language are borrowed from other languages; looking up the etymology of this one, it first appears in printed English language usage in the late 1700s. Over 200 years of usage should weigh strongly in its favor, no? Also a few of the meanings seem to have arisen exclusively from English language usage, for whatever that is worth.ex-khobar Andy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:09 amWordle 361 4/6
Is that an English word? Really? It's certainly borrowed from another European language (I'm trying to not give a hint here) and used commonly enough with a meaning similar to the original: but other NYT word puzzles would almost always disallow it.
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BSG--I couldn't find anything relating to early English sues, but my guess is that the earliest uses were directions for musical compositions, which were never in English but in the language this word comes from. I concede it is a slang expression but have no real idea how long it has been used, but it is not a word I often hear used. I guess a case can be made for calling it an English word, but it is not the sort of word that usually comes up in Wordle, which seems to look for words that are in broad general uses. In a similar manner, i wouldn't expect the word "haint" to be used as it is a regional dialect.
ETA: But you do raise a good point--when does the use of a word in a language other than English make it an English word. When I was a kid, I recall most people saying "Gesundheit" when someone sneezed (I also saw this in many movies). It was a German expression which I think means "good health". I never considered this anything other than a German word, but what would it have taken to make this Englsih (I'm not sure how many people really knew where it was from as I doubt they would have used a German word so soon after WW@ (we still called German Shepherds Police Dogs))). I'm sure there are other examples; many toasts (Prost, Skol, Salud, Slainte) are routinely used without any reference to what language they come from, but I doubt they are considered by many to be English. There must be something else needed to make that jump.
ETA: But you do raise a good point--when does the use of a word in a language other than English make it an English word. When I was a kid, I recall most people saying "Gesundheit" when someone sneezed (I also saw this in many movies). It was a German expression which I think means "good health". I never considered this anything other than a German word, but what would it have taken to make this Englsih (I'm not sure how many people really knew where it was from as I doubt they would have used a German word so soon after WW@ (we still called German Shepherds Police Dogs))). I'm sure there are other examples; many toasts (Prost, Skol, Salud, Slainte) are routinely used without any reference to what language they come from, but I doubt they are considered by many to be English. There must be something else needed to make that jump.
Re: WORDLE – The Internet's Newest Favorite Game
There is a word in the English language which is made up of this word and another of Latin derivation (to which many English words trace back) that combine to a word relating to the inheritance of property within families. This word and the concept it embodies is so deeply embedded in English culture it has defined the order of ruling classes and working classes alike for centuries. This word is English, no?
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Maybe to the extent res ipsa loquitor (or other foreign derived legal terms) is/are, but I am not sure how well it would be recognized outside of the legal profession. The terms Alelullia (or Allelujia or Hallelujia) or "mea culp"a are used in many English religious rites, but I don't think people would call them English.
But I'll do you one better--there is a phrase used in New Orleans, "laissez les bons temps rouler", which is bascially a French literal translation of "Let the good times roll." A number of months back, there was a thread that discussed how it was not grammatically correct French, but it's not English either is it?
But I'll do you one better--there is a phrase used in New Orleans, "laissez les bons temps rouler", which is bascially a French literal translation of "Let the good times roll." A number of months back, there was a thread that discussed how it was not grammatically correct French, but it's not English either is it?
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Well it’s in the Oxford dictionary of the English language. I think I’m going to have to defer to the linguists who believe it belongs there. Hallelujah and alleluia are also there.
Which words in English are actually English to your way of thinking? A huge percentage of the words in the English language derive from other languages. Are just the ~1700 words invented by the Bard actually English words then?
Which words in English are actually English to your way of thinking? A huge percentage of the words in the English language derive from other languages. Are just the ~1700 words invented by the Bard actually English words then?
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That's the question, isn't it? You could find the term "adios" in the OED, but does that make it English? I'm not sure anymore than Quincenara (not in the OED) is.Which words in English are actually English to your way of thinking?
It's fun to speculate, but I'm not certain there is an answer. Personally, I think the use of a dictionary is not to delineate (or for that matter limit) a language, but to define terms used by speakers so the listener/reader will understand what is being communicated. IMHO, words in the English language are much like the common law, there is not a group empowered to decree what is and what is not encompassed, but the language evolves by usage common usage and acceptance by academics. But then, nothing specifically dictates this, so it is fun to speculate.
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My opinion, and that's all it is, is if a foreign word is used where no English equivalent exists then it becomes of the English language. Things like "Sushi" and "Kebab" can be described in English but don't have a single-word English-only synonym. Whereas "Adios" being used the same as "goodbye" means it's still a foreign word. "Rouge" is one I am on the fence with... it means "red" in French, but it's taken on a slightly different meaning other than just identifying a color in English. That being said, yesterday I used "Adieu" as my start word (and it was a bad choice, but I was trying to cover 4 vowels at once to see if it worked) and I don't consider that English at all. But all 4 puzzles accepted it.
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Re: WORDLE – The Internet's Newest Favorite Game
Wordle 361 3/6*
I believe it's considered an English word because it has been commonly used for as long as I can remember. Probably longer than that. I can't remember.
I believe it's considered an English word because it has been commonly used for as long as I can remember. Probably longer than that. I can't remember.
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Wordle 362 3/6*
Daily Dordle 0143 6&5/7
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Daily Quordle 143
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Daily Octordle #143
Score: 60
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Daily Dordle 0143 6&5/7
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Daily Quordle 143
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Daily Octordle #143
Score: 60
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Re: WORDLE – The Internet's Newest Favorite Game
Wordle 362 3/6*
Daily Dordle 0143 6&4/7
zaratustra.itch.io/dordle
Daily Quordle 143
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Daily Octordle #143
Ach, too many wild guesses when missing one letter. Not enough effort to find missing letters
by making new words.
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Daily Dordle 0143 6&4/7
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Daily Quordle 143
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Daily Octordle #143
Ach, too many wild guesses when missing one letter. Not enough effort to find missing letters
by making new words.
octordle.com
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Re: WORDLE – The Internet's Newest Favorite Game
Wordle 362 4/6*
Daily Dordle 0143 2&4/7
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Daily Quordle 143
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Daily Octordle #143
Score: 62
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Daily Dordle 0143 2&4/7
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Daily Quordle 143
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Daily Octordle #143
Score: 62
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Daily Octordle #143
Score: 77
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Words 2 and 3 were a pain. Probably made worse since I didn’t use a common letter until the last guess which would have helped with the last word
Score: 77
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Words 2 and 3 were a pain. Probably made worse since I didn’t use a common letter until the last guess which would have helped with the last word
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.
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Word 3 pushes the boundary of “English”
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.
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Is this going to turn into a whine fest over every word contained in English language dictionaries that derived from another language? That’s going to get tiresome quickly. This word has been present in the English language for centuries, just like the last one. It derives from Latin then French.
I think you and Big RR are in need of a course in linguistics. Or, perhaps you should just refer to the approved Scrabble wordlist - both of these words are on it.
Or just keep complaining that’s also an option.
I think you and Big RR are in need of a course in linguistics. Or, perhaps you should just refer to the approved Scrabble wordlist - both of these words are on it.
Or just keep complaining that’s also an option.
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Here’s a short course: https://www.britannica.com/topic/English-language
Excerpt:
Excerpt:
Openness of vocabulary implies both free admission of words from other languages and the ready creation of compounds and derivatives. English adopts (without change) or adapts (with slight change) any word really needed to name some new object or to denote some new process. Words from more than 350 languages have entered English in this way. Like French, Spanish, and Russian, English frequently forms scientific terms from Classical Greek word elements. Although a Germanic language in its sounds and grammar, the bulk of English vocabulary is in fact Romance or Classical in origin.
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You are going to complain about venting frustration?
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.
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I’m judging your frustration as being entirely misplaced because you apparently don’t understand much about linguistics or your native language. Or maybe you just have a limited vocabulary? But go ahead and attack me it’s much more productive than addressing the substantive issue I’ve raised - and it bothers me not because I consider the source.
80% of English words are borrowed from other languages. Maybe we should start complaining about every wordle/dordle/quordle/octordle word that derives from another language? Gonna get old fast.
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Too funny
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.
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Funny - an American English word with roots in old English, German, Dutch. Marked safe to use in wordle/dordle/quordle/octordle
https://www.etymonline.com/word/funny
https://www.etymonline.com/word/funny
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