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Gambling is illegal in CA. The Indian Nations work around this by saying that they are independent countries, so many gambling casinos are built on Indian reservation land. An out-of-state company is campaigning for a law to allow CA residents to use out-of-state gambling sites over the Internet. The Indian Nations have an aggressive, hard-nosed TV campaign now to show that those guys are a bunch of crooks, who promise to send only 10% of the proceeds to charity, with promise of many loopholes.

Methuselah wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 11:58 pm

The Indian Nations work around this by saying that they are independent countries

They’re not just saying that. They ARE sovereign nations, with the right to independent governance. That’s by treaty with the United States of America - the unbroken ones, anyway.

The campaigning for the right to have on-line gambling in CA is getting down to the short strokes. The out-of-state group sponsoring the the campaign to change the laws to allow them to set up an online system now have a guy who looks like a Senior American Indian who goes on first, and spends most of his time explaining how this will be good for the Indians. Somehow the group of American Indians schedule their response to come on next, where a Real Senior Indian explains how most of their profit will leave the state, with only a small portion going to Indian Reservations. In addition, the ten percent promised now has loopholes built in the proposed law to cut down this percentage.
I'd like to support the opposition, to keep up the monopoly the Indians have now, and just as important, not allow kids and weak adults to blow their money on an on-line system.

Gambling is illegal in CA.

Really? Indian casinos aside, that would be a big to the proprietors and customers of card rooms and race tracks, where legal gambling has gone on for decades (not to mention the "charitable" bingo games). Right now, there's a lo more legal gambling than that among the native American nations.

ETA: And I forgot the lottery and the mega millions bet and paid.

In a prior post I described how two groups are fighting to control online gambling in California. One is a true Native American group, and another that says they take better care of the smaller Native American groups, although they are not a Native American group. I don’t try to keep up with gambling here, so some of the things I said before are wrong. However, the fight continues, and is constantly in our faces in a TV advertising war. You can find out more on this Yahoo site.
From https://www.yahoo.com/video/californias ... 08509.html
“Column: California's gambling propositions are breaking spending records. Do we really need more betting?”. . .
“At last count, an obscene $362 million has been raised to promote or oppose two initiatives to expand legal gambling in California — a gargantuan jackpot for political consultants, ad producers and TV stations. The total will probably reach a half-billion dollars by election day.”

My understanding is that the state cannot forbid any form of gambling on the Rez if it was permitted elsewhere in the state. This led to a gradual expansion as the state (negligently) added different lottery games which were mathematically like slot machines where the payout was not calculated based on the number of bets made. For one example.

Gambling is a subtractive activity and makes the world poorer. It victimizes the vulnerable. Im voting against it. I voted against the lottery too.

It is justified for the tribes as a form of revenge. IMO.

Yrs
Rubato

You're back!

Rube, have you been reading the newspaper reports on the hundreds of millions od dollars both sides are spending on advertising? Another reason to hope the bill fails at the polls.

Rubato's description of the right of the tribes is correct, but in California the voters went further and allowed Indian casinos to operate slot machines and other devices like video poker that are not otherwise played in California. I think most people who voted for this expansion thought it a way to allow in very small part some recompense for the terrible way tribes had been treated. The current initiatives are more of the same. Kind of a confusing mess, but big money is at stake so big money is being spent for the campaign.

Rube prefers rackets run by criminals instead of legal casinos.

Jarlaxle wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:26 am

Rube prefers rackets run by criminals instead of legal casinos.

Don't kid yourself; the legal casinos are run by criminals, too. They just have a license to crime.

rubato wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:12 am

It is justified for the tribes as a form of revenge. IMO.
Rubato

Many years ago, I saw a cartoon with two white European settlers and two Native Americans hashing out the details of a treaty.  One of the settlers is whispering in the ear of the other, "Offer them whiskey — we'll get it all."
On the other side of the panel, one of the Native Americans was whispering in the ear of the other, "Offer them gambling — we'll get it all back."

But I've never been able to find a copy of this on the internet, so this one will have to do instead:



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