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Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:41 am
by dales
CVS Shoplifter Strangled Over Toothpaste
At CVS Pharmacy in the Little Village neighborhood [Chicago] got more than he bargained for after boosting tubes of toothpaste from the store shelves. According to the Sun-Times, Anthony Kyser entered the CVS on the 2600 block of South Pulaski on Saturday morning and placed items in his jacket. Employees noticed the theft, and chased Kyser into the alley behind the store where he was caught. Witnesses say one employee, later identified as a store manager, put Kyser into a chokehold while three other men restrained him. When police arrived on the scene, they found him unconscious, and Kyser was declared dead 45 minutes later at Mount Sinai Hospital.
While the medical examiner declared the death a homicide after an autopsy, police are calling the incident an "accidental death" and are not pursuing murder charges against the CVS employee, a move the reportedly has Kyser's family outraged:
"Why would you kill someone over toothpaste?" his ex-wife, Ann Balboa, said through tears Sunday.
"Why would you even chase them, and how is this not murder -- it doesn't make sense."
It isn't murder because there was NO premeditation involved. It is however manslaughter, if Illinois has the same laws as CA.
The family also told the paper that while Kyser has had his share of "ups and downs" and has spent time in prison for drug offenses, his death was unjustified. They plan on suing the CVS chain in civil court.
As they should.
The Sun-Times also spoke to two witnesses whose homes back onto the alley where the incident took place who say that an off-duty police officer was involved. They claim the woman told Kyser she was an officer, drew her weapon, and told him to stop fighting the CVS employees' attempts to restrain him. She then reportedly went back to her car to make a phone call. Chicago Police spokesman John Mirabelli was quoted as questioning this report, saying that they "have no indication of CPD involvement."
WTF is up with that?
CVS is investigating the incident internally, and today placed the employee responsible on leave.
By Prescott Carlson in News on May 10, 2010 3:40 PM
Note that infrequent brushing of teeth can lead to dire consequences. :ugeek:
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:20 pm
by Big RR
The "off duty cop" had a gun and did nothing to stop those restraining the toothpaste thief from choking him to death. Sounds like she may have been complicit as well.
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 1:52 am
by Jarlaxle
Murder one for the cop (depraved indifference to human life), voluntary manslaughter for everyone else. At least $10 billion in civil court.
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 3:37 am
by Gob
An accident, obvioulsy the shoplifter (thief) was struggling to the point where they were blacking out under the restraint. No struggle, less restraint.
If they hadn't been shoplifting, and had come quietly, they'd still be alive.
Little sympathy from me.
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:49 am
by The Hen
No-one's life is worth as little as a tube of toothpaste. No-ones.
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:12 pm
by Big RR
I agree Hen, and no one should have the right to use deadly force to restrain someone committing such a minor crime.
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:18 pm
by Gob
No one does have that right, do they?
But as I say, the best way to ensure it doesn't happen is to not steal.
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 1:13 am
by Jarlaxle
So you'd be fine had they, say, simply caved in his skull with a sledgehammer? Or jumped him, knocked him down, and then stomped him to death? You are a sick individual.
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 1:26 am
by Gob
No I would be happy if they'd restrained him and the police had come and arrested him , and taken him away.
I do not believe that these people set out to kill him, or even that they wanted to hurt him. If he hadn't put up a huge fight I do not believe the level of restraint applied would have been needed.
However the simplest solution would have been for him to not steal in the first place, then everyone would be happy.
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 8:14 am
by @meric@nwom@n
So is it ok to use deadly force if it is a jar of oxycontin?
At what point does the use of deadly force become OK?
Is the use of deadly force based on the value of something taken?
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 10:42 pm
by Gob
I've never said that deadly force should be considered appropriate. I've only argued that there are two sides to this incident, and one of them is responsible for initiating it.
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:43 am
by @meric@nwom@n
Gob wrote:I've never said that deadly force should be considered appropriate. I've only argued that there are two sides to this incident, and one of them is responsible for initiating it.
It's just coincidence that I posted that question after you posted.
I would like to see opinions on where deadly force is ok, if anyone thinks it is ok.
Re: Killed Over A D@mned Tube Of Toothpaste?
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:04 am
by Gob
Ah ok gotcha.
Deadly force is ok, if your life or the life of another is threatened.
Someone pointed a gun at me, or someone threatened Hatch or Hen with knife, I would be happy to end their lives and take the consequences.
The last time I was threatened with a knife it took four guys to drag me off the guy.