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Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:59 pm
by dales
Yonge-Dundas smackdown 204 Punched in the face, but fat chance charges will be laid
David Menzies

First posted: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 6:35:45 EDT PM

What constitutes a physical assault in Toronto these days?



This would appear to be straightforward. If, for example, one individual punches another, surely that’s assault. Especially if the punch in question was witnessed. And photographed.

But as I learned firsthand on Sunday, a fist in the face doesn’t necessarily constitute assault in our increasingly culturally sensitive Toronto.

The details: I was at Yonge-Dundas Square with my nine-year-old son. We ate pizza. We drank bubble tea. And I used my new Canon camera to take photos of this neon shrine.

Suddenly, a woman wearing a hijab ran toward me. She was part of a group that included two women wearing full face-covering burkas. She was screaming: “We are Muslim! You do not take pictures of us!” (Odd. I can’t find the “no photos” rule in the Qur’an.)

I informed the lady I was in a public square in a democracy. I can actually take pictures of whomever I please.

And then: Ka-pow! Her fist collided with my face. Worse, she almost knocked my new camera from my hands.

My son and I were then surrounded by a mob of about 20 people, many of whom were speaking Arabic. One kept demanding I surrender my camera to him.

It was surreal. Was I in Toronto — or Riyadh?

I spotted a group of bicycle-mounted police officers. I burst through the mob with my son and made a beeline towards them. I told a Toronto Police officer what had happened and I wanted to press assault charges.

Better yet, a man and a woman came forward as eyewitnesses.

The 50-something couple, originally from Syria, told the police they had observed the entire affair and my allegations were true. The couple said they understood Arabic and knew what the mob was saying.

Spidey Senses

Alas, my Spidey Senses started to tingle when I overheard the questions being asked of the witnesses. “Was it a closed-fist punch or an open hand? Was it the front or the back of the hand?”

Huh? Physical contact had been made. Why did severity matter?

After the officer took my statement, he went over to the offending woman. Another constable was inexplicably miffed I was (legally) taking photos in the first place. The irony: Just above our heads a Toronto Police Service sphere was videotaping the activities.

The officer interrogated the woman. She was still hysterical. Good. The constable would encounter firsthand what I had been forced to deal with earlier.

The cop walked back to me. No charges would be laid, he said, because he believed the woman’s story — namely, she was merely trying to knock the camera out of my hands.

Got that? Apparently, attempted property damage is OK. If a face gets in the way of a would-be vandalizing fist... hey, accidents happen.

The Syrian eyewitnesses were speechless. I continued to plead my case.

Toronto Police cruisers are emblazoned with the slogan, “To serve and protect”. But increasingly, the unofficial slogan seems closer to, “F.I.D.O.” (“Forget It; Drive On.”)

The fact we have Islamists living amongst us who despise western values isn’t news. But surely you can’t just sock someone in the mouth.

Well, apparently you can — as long as the intent of the aggressor was merely to inflict property damage.

World’s upside-down. Just thought you should know.

-Menzies is a freelance writer in Toronto

Re: Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:50 pm
by Scooter
Something you need to know about David Menzies - the way you can tell that he is lying is that his mouth is moving. I wouldn't take his account of what happened, especially if he was involved, as anything remotely resembling the truth.

Re: Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:56 pm
by dales
I don't know if the account is true.

If it is, Toronto has crossed the Rubicon into the depths of insanity in which San Francisco is playing catch-up.

Addendumb:

I just did a quick google news search of "David Menzies" and came up with zippo.

If there was any creedance to this story, I believe there would've been several links to it.

Bamboozled again.

Re: Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:36 pm
by Scooter
I don't know that it's completely bogus - he isn't that stupid.

But the notion that someone would be assaulted on the street without any justifiable provocation, with plenty of witnesses, and police wouldn't lay charges if the victim demanded it? Not in the same universe where police are REQUIRED to be called to investigate every fight that occurs on a school playground. I suspect there was enough about his own behaviour to have clouded the issue so much as to make charges untenable.

If Mr. Menzies truly believes charges are warranted, he has the option of going to a justice of the peace and laying an information himself.

Re: Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:59 pm
by rubato
When Amish, American Indians, or others ask not to be photographed the morally and socially correct answer is not "fuck you I can do what I want".

yrs,
rubato

Re: Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:40 pm
by Liberty1
When Amish, American Indians, or others ask not to be photographed the morally and socially correct answer is not "fuck you I can do what I want".
Only on the Rez. Many times they charge for a photography permit, but on some they are totally prohibited, especially during certian events and ceremonies. A public space is a public space, the Rez is sovereign territory .

But it pays to be polite, no matter.

Re: Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:42 pm
by loCAtek
That would be incredibly odd behavior for a Muslim woman at that time, because Sunday, July 31 was the start of the Holy month of Ramadan. The article says it begins on Monday, but the New Moon that traditionally marks the start of Ramadan was Saturday night.
What is Ramadan? Muslim Holy Month Begins Monday [PHOTOS]

By Nadine DeNinno | Jul 31, 2011 07:10 PM EDT

Ramadan will begin Monday, marking the start of the holy month for Muslims, who are expected to fast and practice abstinence from dawn until sunset.

The month of fasting was officially announced in Muslim countries to begin on Monday worldwide. Ramadan is held yearly during the ninth months of the Islamic calendar after the sighting of the new moon, which occurred on Saturday evening, and lasts for 29 to 30 days until the next new moon appears.

The purpose of Ramadan is to focus on spirituality, praying more often and withholding any acts of violence during the fast. All Muslims across the world are expected to participate, with the exception of the elderly, sick and pregnant.

As one of the five pillars of Islam, Muslims are expected to refrain from food and drink and abstain from smoking and sex each day during the celebration from dawn to dusk. The breaking of the fast, or iftaar, begins at dusk by eating dates. Some Muslims have slightly different variations and have broader definitions of practices during Ramadan.

The month-long fasting marks the anniversary of the Quran being revealed to the Prophet Mohammed. Ramadan commences annually with a celebration called Eid al-Fitr, comprised of feasting and prayer.

Obviously, there are lots of beautiful pictures of Muslims being taken. The only objection I know of is: the picture can not be hung as a form of reverence; that goes against the Islamic laws forbidding idolatry. Which is why pictures or paintings of Mohammed are not allowed.
News reporting in media is allowed, as well are family photos.

Re: Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:46 pm
by liberty
I wish I had the time to get a camera and photograph some street scenes especially in an Islamic area. The very idea that some son of bitch is going tell me that I can’t take a pictures in a public area makes me want to kill somebody. I am not a slave; I have right to take photos in a public area, especially if they are of no one in particular.

Re: Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:09 pm
by liberty
Muslim Attacks Street Preacher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJvGGuLrVzo

Re: Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:55 pm
by Scooter
They all deserve to be arrested. Those guys were clearly trying to pick a fight with him and they got what they wanted.

Re: Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:47 pm
by rubato
liberty wrote:I wish I had the time to get a camera and photograph some street scenes especially in an Islamic area. The very idea that some son of bitch is going tell me that I can’t take a pictures in a public area makes me want to kill somebody. I am not a slave; I have right to take photos in a public area, especially if they are of no one in particular.

And now, imitating the "Westboro Baptist Church" in the red cornerrrrrrr its Liberty!


For the non-socially challenged it will be obvious that refraining from doing things which we are able to do and have the right to do is one way that we demonstrate respect for other groups and this demonstration is a part of a healthy society.


yrs,
rubato

Re: Has Toronto Lost Its Collective Mind?

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:22 pm
by dales
No rights are absolute, Liberty.