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Last last meal
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:40 am
by Gob
Texas death row inmates will no longer get their choice of last meals, after the menu request of a man condemned for a notorious hate crime slaying left a bad taste in the mouth of a prominent senator.
Lawrence Russell Brewer, who was executed on Wednesday, asked for two chicken fried steaks, a triple-meat bacon cheeseburger, fried okra, a pound (450 grams) of barbecue meat, three fajitas, a meat lover's pizza, a pint of ice cream and a slab of peanut butter fudge with crushed peanuts.
Prison officials said Brewer didn't eat any of it.
Brewer, a white supremacist gang member, was convicted of chaining James Byrd Jr, 49, to the back of a pickup truck and dragging him to his death along a bumpy road in 1998.
Brewer's dinner request prompted Senator John Whitmire to demand the end of the practice in a letter to Brad Livingston, the executive director of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.
"It is extremely inappropriate to give a person sentenced to death such a privilege," Whitmire, who chairs the Senate Criminal Justice Committee, wrote in the letter on Thursday.
Within hours, Livingston said the senator's concerns were valid and the practice of allowing death row offenders to choose their final meal was history.
"Effective immediately, no such accommodations will be made," Livingston said.
"They will receive the same meal served to other offenders on the unit."
That had been the suggestion from Whitmire, who called the traditional request "ridiculous".
"It's long overdue," the Houston Democrat told The Associated Press.
"Mr Byrd didn't get to choose his last meal. The whole deal is so illogical."
Whitmire warned in his letter that if the "last meal of choice" practice wasn't stopped immediately, he'd seek a state statute to end it when congress convened in the next legislative session.
It was not immediately clear whether other states have made similar moves.
Read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/no-more-foo ... z1Yk9S2AfT
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:50 am
by BoSoxGal
Of rather more importance on the subject of the barbaric practice of imposing death as penalty for crime, is the fact that Georgia yesterday executed a quite possibly actually innocent man.
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:35 am
by Scooter
Indeed. To have 7 of 9 prosecution witnesses recant their testimony and still to forge ahead, as if they feared that any delay for further inquiry would have shown that they had convicted the wrong man, and so they had to execute him quickly to stifle any more questions from being raised.
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:44 am
by Miles
Perhaps after 20+ years on death row some of those witnesses had a change of heart about the death penlity does not mean that the man did not do what they origionally testified to what they said he did. When 9 people said they saw you do what you did it likely you did it. He had 20+ years of appeals. The people he killed didn't get the luxury.
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:48 am
by Miles
Gob wrote:
Texas death row inmates will no longer get their choice of last meals, after the menu request of a man condemned for a notorious hate crime slaying left a bad taste in the mouth of a prominent senator.
Lawrence Russell Brewer, who was executed on Wednesday, asked for two chicken fried steaks, a triple-meat bacon cheeseburger, fried okra, a pound (450 grams) of barbecue meat, three fajitas, a meat lover's pizza, a pint of ice cream and a slab of peanut butter fudge with crushed peanuts.
Prison officials said Brewer didn't eat any of it.
Brewer, a white supremacist gang member, was convicted of chaining James Byrd Jr, 49, to the back of a pickup truck and dragging him to his death along a bumpy road in 1998.
Brewer's dinner request prompted Senator John Whitmire to demand the end of the practice in a letter to Brad Livingston, the executive director of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.
"It is extremely inappropriate to give a person sentenced to death such a privilege," Whitmire, who chairs the Senate Criminal Justice Committee, wrote in the letter on Thursday.
Within hours, Livingston said the senator's concerns were valid and the practice of allowing death row offenders to choose their final meal was history.
"Effective immediately, no such accommodations will be made," Livingston said.
"They will receive the same meal served to other offenders on the unit."
That had been the suggestion from Whitmire, who called the traditional request "ridiculous".
"It's long overdue," the Houston Democrat told The Associated Press.
"Mr Byrd didn't get to choose his last meal. The whole deal is so illogical."
Whitmire warned in his letter that if the "last meal of choice" practice wasn't stopped immediately, he'd seek a state statute to end it when congress convened in the next legislative session.
It was not immediately clear whether other states have made similar moves.
Read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/no-more-foo ... z1Yk9S2AfT
For the most part those on death row don't usually eat the 'last meal' they request that it be given to the other inmates on the block.
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:08 am
by Scooter
Miles wrote:Perhaps after 20+ years on death row some of those witnesses had a change of heart about the death penlity does not mean that the man did not do what they origionally testified to what they said he did. When 9 people said they saw you do what you did it likely you did it. He had 20+ years of appeals. The people he killed didn't get the luxury.
If they have changed their story their testimony is no longer reliable, your dime store psychological speculations about their alleged motives for doing so notwithstanding.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why you need to continue believing the man to be guilty when the witnesses no longer do. Were you there? Is there some divinely inspired insight into the case that you have and wish to share? Or are you just that bloodthirsty that it doesn't matter who pays for the crime, so long as it's somebody?
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:22 am
by Scooter
And the number of years spent appealing is meaningless if the bar is set so high that such widespread recantation of eyewitness testimony is insufficient to trigger a reconsideration, whether by a new trial or otherwise, of the original verdict. If the only way to get an appeal heard is to be able to prove actual innocence, as it is in some states (not sure if that is so in Georgia), then even someone convicted on the basis of testimony that is provably perjured is fucked. Is that the way you want to see the death penalty applied?
There was a case in Texas that I brought up on the CSB years ago, of someone convicted in a capital case and later someone else being convicted of the exact same crime, and even that was not enough to overturn the original conviction. Does that approach anything remotely resembling "justice" to you? That once someone is convicted we are going to throw out any notion of common sense, so that the conviction can be held up at any cost, even to the point of executing two people under two completely different theories of the same crime?
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:40 pm
by Gob
Oscar-winning American filmmaker Michael Moore called on Thursday for a total boycott of Georgia after the southern US state, defying global protests, executed convicted police killer Troy Davis.
On his website (
www.michaelmoore.com), the director of Fahrenheit 9/11, Bowling for Columbine and Sicko also demanded that his just-released memoirs Here Comes Trouble be pulled from Georgia bookshops.
"I encourage everyone I know to never travel to Georgia, never buy anything made in Georgia, to never do business in Georgia," said Moore, who was in Los Angeles on Friday as part of a book tour.
"I will ask my publisher (Grand Central Publishing, part of France's Hachette Book Group) to pull my book from every Georgia bookstore," he continued.
"And if they won't do that, I will donate every dime of every royalty my book makes in Georgia to help defeat the racists and killers who run that state."
He concluded: "I ask all Americans with a conscience to shun anything and everything to do with the murderous state of Georgia."
With a lethal injection, Georgia executed Davis at Jackson prison on Wednesday despite doubts over his 1991 murder conviction that made him a poster child for global efforts to eradicate the death penalty.
Read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/boo ... z1Z0EdANlZ
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:24 am
by loCAtek
Scooter wrote:Indeed. To have 7 of 9 prosecution witnesses recant their testimony and still to forge ahead, as if they feared that any delay for further inquiry would have shown that they had convicted the wrong man, and so they had to execute him quickly to stifle any more questions from being raised.
Well, there's the fact that he confessed unrepentantly to the crime;
Brewer, on the other hand, has reveled in his crime. His rap sheet included stints in prison for drug possession and burglary. He joined a white supremacist gang while locked up. In jailhouse letters written after Brewer was arrested for the Byrd murder, he boasted about the killing and the thrill of it.
"Well, I did it," Brewer wrote in a letter introduced during court proceedings, according to published reports. "And no longer am I a virgin. It was a rush, and I'm still licking my lips for more."
He also wrote to one of his co-defendants that they had become bigger stars than O.J. Simpson and that he welcomed the death penalty. Lethal injection, he wrote, would be "a little old sleeping medicine."
HP
He got what he wanted, then had the audacity to mock the last human kindness offered him.
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:49 am
by Scooter
That's very interesting, but I was speaking to the case of Troy Davis which bigskygal had just referred to in the previous post.
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:17 am
by loCAtek
Oh dear, I didn't follow that

Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:34 pm
by Miles
If they have changed their story their testimony is no longer reliable, your dime store psychological speculations about their alleged motives for doing so notwithstanding.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why you need to continue believing the man to be guilty when the witnesses no longer do. Were you there? Is there some divinely inspired insight into the case that you have and wish to share? Or are you just that bloodthirsty that it doesn't matter who pays for the crime, so long as it's somebody?
Normally, Scooter, I don't bother to reply to baiting but since that is your style.........
I happen to believe in the death penlity in cases where it is warranted and I think this one was way over due. It is my "dime store psychological
opinion" that time and the change that occurs in all of us as human beings can change ideals. I am certain that some of the things I believed 30 years ago and today have undergone some changes. However If I had been on a jury and swore an oath to tell the truth that truth would have been just that.
Someone has paid for that crime before the execution.........the victim and his family.
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:39 pm
by Scooter
So you claim the insight to look into the souls of the 7 recanting witnesses to know that they are now lying? Any other tricks you care to share? Walking on water? Making the blind see and the lame walk?
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:01 pm
by Miles
Scooter, my mother was a wise woman and one day she gave me some good advice. She said "Don't try to have a battle of wits with a moron. They will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!"
I am reasonably certain that if you continue to troll about the place you will find someone to accomodate you.

Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:04 pm
by Scooter
Ah yes, when confronted with the irrefutable idiocy of one's position, retreat while claiming to occupy the high ground.
Your mother need not have worried about you sinking to the level of morons. That ship sailed long ago.
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:42 pm
by Crackpot
Really Miles you are talking about a Death penalty case where there is no physical evidence where 7 of the 9 witnesses recanted (eye witness being the only evidence) including accusations of coercion by the police and you seriously think that this is enough to kill a man?
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:20 pm
by Miles
Crackpot, I would like to think that those witness, at the time, took the case seriously enough to tell the truth. That being said changing their minds 20+ years later seems, to me, more like feeling guilty. That is my opinion. Could they have commuted his sentence to life w/out parole, sure would that have served the public better, I have no idea. I have few answers and lots of questions.
I also believe that asking those questions in some circles is not worth the effort as some individuals are not capable of civil interaction when opinions differ.
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:32 pm
by Sue U
Miles wrote:I happen to believe in the death penlity in cases where it is warranted
Miles, I would like to know what the circumstances are in which you think the death penalty is warranted and why -- i.e., what are the appropriate criteria and what is/are the objective(s)? Also, under what circumstances,if any, do you think a sentence of death should be reversed or commuted or otherwise altered?
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:37 pm
by Crackpot
Miles
Could they have commuted his sentence to life w/out parole, sure would that have served the public better, I have no idea. I have few answers and lots of questions.
That is the point really there is enough question (especially if coercion was a factor) to make the finality of the death penalty highly questionable as a just end.
Re: Last last meal
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:43 pm
by Scooter
The witnesses did not wait 20+ years and then suddenly change their minds. Concerns about coercion of witness statements arose early on in the appeals process but were continually dismissed on various procedural grounds. The legal centre that was handling the appeals also lost most of its funding and was not able to dedicate resources to tracking down and interviewing all the witnesses in a timely fashion. Affidavits from several of the witnesses in question were able to be obtained a decade or more ago. None of this is a last minute hail mary pass, it is years and years and years of the defence team throwing themselves up against the same legal roadblocks over and over again when all along they have had evidence that the entire basis for the original verdict had collapsed.