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I bet you can't find a better drummer.

Nobody better than Billy Cobham....

Ps. why is this not in"the arts?"

A-ha!

What you both need is some kind of reference to what is good and what is NOT!

Allow me to go to the other end of the scale.

With ALL due respect to Buddy Rich.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWyABiUpihs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0C5Uxp ... re=related

Jon Hiesman and Colosseum "Los Angeles"

Buddy Rich is head and shoulders over everything else in this thread.

A lot of pure crap.

yrs,
rubato

Let's get down and dirty...

rubato wrote:Buddy Rich is head and shoulders over everything else in this thread.

A lot of pure crap.

yrs,
rubato

What IS a lot of pure crap Daddy Rubato is trying to compare drummers of different eras and genres and claiming that one is "head and shoulders over everything else". Learn something about music and then come back to this thread.

ROTFLMCO!!! He's so like Timmy isn't he?

Gob wrote:
Nobody better than Billy Cobham....

Ps. why is this not in"the arts?"

I believe you'll never find a better drummer than Buddy Rich.

The video that you linked of Billy Cobham doesn't show a better drummer than Buddy. He must be better than what is shown in that video for you to believe he is a BETTER drummer than Buddy Rich.

P.S. This post is not in "the arts" because I posted in in "General Stuff & Tabloids."

Thank you for that Joe, there is a Viz character you may like to consider...

Joe Guy wrote:

Gob wrote:
Nobody better than Billy Cobham....

Ps. why is this not in"the arts?"

I believe you'll never find a better drummer than Buddy Rich.

The video that you linked of Billy Cobham doesn't show a better drummer than Buddy. He must be better than what is shown in that video for you to believe he is a BETTER drummer than Buddy Rich.

P.S. This post is not in "the arts" because I posted in in "General Stuff & Tabloids."

Out of interest Joe, how are you defining better? What, in your opinion, makes Rich a better drummer?

Personally I wouldn't judge any drummer by a solo... I've known so-called drummers who could solo like nobody's business but couldn't hold down a simple beat at an even tempo.
The ability to provide beat and rhythm for the other musicians without detracting from the melodic instruments in the mark of a great drummer for me. Unfortunately we have people like Daddy Rubato who can't see past the party tricks.

One of the finest drummers I have known is Pelle Alsing, a Swedish session drummer probably best known for his work with Roxette. Power, control and an innate ability to know when to sit back and when to move forward in the mix. A gifted musician.
I wouldn't say he was the best though, I don't see how any one musician can be rightly labelled the best exponent of his instrument.

Sean wrote:
Out of interest Joe, how are you defining better? What, in your opinion, makes Rich a better drummer?

I meant that you won't find a better drummer than Buddy Rich because, in my opinion, he was as good as a drummer can possibly be. I didn't say there might not be an equal out there.

Sean wrote:Personally I wouldn't judge any drummer by a solo... I've known so-called drummers who could solo like nobody's business but couldn't hold down a simple beat at an even tempo.

There are many examples of Buddy on Youtube playing with his band that show how great he is, but I'm not a fan of the kind of jazz he played. But to me he is so impressive that I'll even listen to that music.

Sean wrote:One of the finest drummers I have known is Pelle Alsing, a Swedish session drummer probably best known for his work with Roxette. Power, control and an innate ability to know when to sit back and when to move forward in the mix. A gifted musician.

I'll check him out.

I also think Keith Moon & John Bonham were great drummers. But they didn't have the imagination(?) that it must take in order to play like Buddy Rich.

btw - I'm getting depressed. I just realized the first three drummers I could name have been dead quite a while.

I think I've reached old geezer status.

Joe Guy wrote:

Sean wrote:
I think I've reached old geezer status.

Yep, a lot of people still think Buddy Rich was "the best" as he was the first major jazz superstar drummer they became aware of. That's not to detract from the man's talent, he was non-pareil for his day. But jazz has moves on, and drummers have come and gone who could be considered his equal. And of course, when choosing who WE think the best, personal taste is always going to be the major defining factor.

However as most drummer based pools still rate Rich at the top, then respect should be given to that. (Respect should also be shown to other high ranked drummers to, unless you are a stupid spoiled child who cannot bear to have your views challenged, )

For pure unique style and rythyms, I'm not sure if anyone beats John Bonham.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEpT6U5o ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohlFjyCE0gA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-3RtCxR ... re=related

Gob wrote:Yep, a lot of people still think Buddy Rich was "the best" as he was the first major jazz superstar drummer they became aware of.

I believe it's called Hendrix Syndrome.

Gob wrote:Yep, a lot of people still think Buddy Rich was "the best" as he was the first major jazz superstar drummer they became aware of.

I think a lot of what people call the "best" has more to do with style and genre. I never really paid much attention to rock drummers (although I do recall Bill Bruford being pretty impressive back in the day); it was jazz drummers who I really dug for sheer musicanship. Even though I did grow up watching Buddy Rich on the tee-vee popularizing the drum kit, objectively he is still clearly a giant and very possibly "the best," although Max Roach gives him a pretty good run for the money and may also be "the best" in terms of solo prowess (check out "Rich vs. Roach"). However, my all-time favorite drummer is still Art Blakey, mostly because of the way his ensemble playing is just so ... right. (I don't really know how to describe it any better than that. Everything about it is just right.)

I don't see how any one musician can be rightly labelled the best exponent of his instrument.

What about Jimmy Hendricks.

What about Jimmy Hendricks.

Greatest guitarist of all time?

That would be Larry Coryell...

I'll brook no argument on this point...