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Black Friday Madness

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:45 pm
by dales

Holiday shoppers are flocking to stores with hopes of snagging Black Friday deals. Courtney Reagan reports from the Greene Town Center in Dayton, Ohio.

By NBC News, msnbc.com staff and Associated Press

Violence erupted at Black Friday sales across the U.S. with one bargain-hunter left critically injured after being shot during a robbery and 15 other people injured when an angry shopper used pepper spray.

Several of the incidents took place at Wal-Mart[ where else?] stores as millions of Americans loaded up on holiday purchases.


Update 12:17 p.m. ET: A robot removed a suspicious device that led to the evacuation of a Wal-Mart store in Cave Creek, Ariz., Maricopa County, sheriff's deputies said.

Deputies told KPHO-TV of Phoenix that they had reason to believe the device might have been an explosive and said whoever left it in a refrigerator at the store Thursday could face felony charges. Police dogs swept the store for further possible devices, they said, and the store reopened late Thursday night, KPHO reported.

Update 11:57 a.m. ET: An off-duty police officer used pepper spray on shoppers at a Wal-Mart in Kinston, N.C.

Kinston police Sgt. Roland Davis said an off-duty officer whom the store had hired to help with security used the chemical while trying to make an arrest during a disturbance. Unconfirmed reports said as many as 20 peopl ewer affected.

Updated 10:55 a.m. ET: A Rome, N.Y., man was charged with disorderly conduct after a fight that broke out the moment Black Friday shopping began at midnight, NBC station WSTM of Syracuse, N.Y., reported.

Several shoppers at the electronics department at a Wal-Mart store were pushed to the ground, and several fights broke out, Oneida County sheriff's deputies said. Two shoppers were taken to a hospital for minor injuries.

Updated 10:39 a.m. ET: Police said they were investigating a possible shooting in the parking lot of Valley West Mall in West Des Moines, Iowa, NBC station WHO reported. There was no immediate report that anyone was injured.

Police got a call of shots fired shortly before 4 a.m., when the mall opened. They wouldn't say whether they had a suspect, and they reassured shoppers that the mall is safe..

Updated 9:50 a.m. ET: A 55-year-old shopper was shot and wounded during a robbery near a Wal-Mart in Myrtle Beach, S.C., NBC station WMBF reported.

Tonia Robbins, 55, was shot in the foot after two men demanded her purse shortly after 1 a.m. ET Friday as she stood by the trunk of her car with friends.

Updated 9:45 a.m. ET: An explosive device was found at a break room at a Wal-Mart in Cave Creek, Ariz., according to reports Friday.

Maricopa County Sheriff's Office said a suspicious package was found inside a refrigerator in the store break room on Thursday. The store was evacuated as a precaution while deputies investigated the package.

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Updated at 9:40 a.m. ET: A Black Friday shopper was shot and critically injured during a robbery outisde a Wal-Mart in San Leandro, Calif., early Friday, police said.

Police patrolling the parking lot found a victim suffering a gunshot wound and a possible suspect being detained by family members of the victim.

Police said the victims were walking to their car with their purchases and were approached by multiple suspects who demanded the merchandise.

A fight ensued and one suspect pulled out a gun and shot one of the victims. Some of the victims wrestled down one suspect as the other suspect fled the scene.

The victim who was shot is in critical but stable condition at a local hospital. The suspect in custody is an adult male in his mid '20s, but it is not known if he was the shooter.

Updated at 7.30 a.m. ET: An angry woman used pepper spray when Black Friday bargain-hunters tried to cut in line at a crowded Wal-Mart store in Los Angeles late Thursday, leaving 15 people with minor injuries. The incident occurred shortly after 10:20 p.m. PT (1:20 a.m. ET Friday) in the San Fernando Valley as shoppers looking for deals were let inside the outlet.

Shawn Lenske, a Los Angeles fire department spokesman, said the injuries were due to "rapid crowd movement."

Video uploaded to youTube shows shopper recovering after one woman allegedly doused them in pepper spray as they battled for bargains at a Walmart in Los Angeles. NBC's Kristen Dahlgren reports.

NBC News reported police said no more than 15 were hurt, 10 of them for the effects of inhalation of pepper spray.

Police Lt. Abel Parga said a woman used pepper spray, then left. Parga said police were looking for the woman and no arrests have been made.

"It was an unhappy customer,'' he said.

A witness told Los Angeles' NBC4 that the incident started as people waited in line for the new Xbox 360.

The witness said a woman with two children in tow became upset with the way people were pushing in line. The witness said the woman pulled out pepper spray and sprayed the other people.

NBC News quoted a police officer as saying the flare-up was triggered when a crowd rushed toward merchandise following a "big reveal" of items that had been hidden by draping.

NYT: Friday's deals may not be the best

One section of the store was cleared while patients were treated and the pepper spray dissipated, Parga said. People were seen pouring out of the store, but customers were allowed back in to continue shopping.

The dispute came as as stores opened their doors at midnight — a few hours earlier than they normally do on the most anticipated shopping day of the year.

Story: Crazed weekend launches crucial retail season

Herald Square in New York was bustling at 6 p.m. ET Thursday, the Associated Press reported, with shoppers looking to snag discounts at Old Navy and other stores that were open on the Thanksgiving. By 9:45 p.m. ET, more than 300 people were waiting outside a Best Buy in New York before it opened at midnight. An hour later, nearly 2,000 were in line at another Best Buy in St. Petersburg, Florida, ahead of its midnight opening.

Retailers hope the earlier openings will make Black Friday shopping more convenient for Americans who are more likely to be worried about high unemployment and the other challenges they face in the weak economy.


A Texas couple is set to tie the knot after meeting three years ago while waiting in a Black Friday shopping line at Target. KXAS-TV's Amanda Guerra reports.

Black Friday is important to merchants because it kicks off the holiday shopping season, a time when they can make 25 to 40 percent of their annual revenue. It's expected that shoppers will spend nearly $500 billion during the holiday shopping season, or about 3 percent more than they did last year.

PhotoBlog: Black Friday shopping starts on Thursday

"It's a good move to try to get shoppers to spend sooner, before they run out of money," says Burt Flickinger, III, president of retail consultancy Strategic Resource Group.

About 34 percent of consumers plan to shop on Black Friday, up from 31 percent last year, according to the International Council of Shopping Centers, and 16 percent had planned to shop on Thanksgiving Day itself. For the weekend, 152 million people are expected shop, up from 138 million last year.

Update at 5:45 a.m. ET: Authorities say gunfire erupted at a North Carolina mall as holiday shoppers gathered, the Associated Press reported.

The Cumberland County Sheriff's Office said detectives were looking for two suspects after gunfire rang out at Cross Creek Mall in Fayetteville early Friday. No injuries were reported.

The first shots were fired around 2 a.m. outside the mall near a food court entrance. Investigators say several more shots were fired after one of the suspects ran inside the mall.
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Anyone who participates in "Black Friday" or other door-busting Holiday Specials needs to have their head examined. They are clearly in need of psychiatric help. :arg

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:20 pm
by BoSoxGal
I got to the point a few years ago where I just don't participate in the materialism of Christmas. I'll get some chocolates online for my two legal assistants, and bring wine & a candle to the hostess of whichever Christmas dinner I attend - but I don't do gifts. I think the insane commercialism that began in the 80s and continues to get ever crazier is just sick.

Last year I was with BF, whose kids got two Christmases, as it was the first post-divorce. Actually they got three, as he took his kids to Disneyland for 3 days, having given them an early Christmas ahead of that trip at which time they each got about $100 worth of videos and games for their handheld devices to keep them amused during the travel portion of the trip. Then, after the trip, they had Christmas again with his parents, who easily had spent $500/each (if not more) on them, showering them with toys & clothes. They both acted like horrid ungrateful little brats, tossing each present aside after a ten second appraisal and moving quickly on to the next present. Half the toys were broken by the end of the day. There was another Christmas with their mother and maternal grandparents to follow. By the time they came back to us a week after that, the little boy was already demanding more stuff from Walmart at our first trip for groceries. My BF tolerated it all as 'just kids'. They of course, barely mustered a thank you for the games, puzzles and books I gave them, and I never heard them say one single thank you to their dad or g'parents.

Kids have changed since I was one. I would NEVER raise a child to be so materialistic - but it's very obvious to me that this is now the norm. My head spins when I see the type and cost of toys that even kids from modest income households demand and receive for Christmases, birthdays, etc. It's no wonder so many families got so very deeply in debt and now are struggling/sinking. And these kids are becoming the kind of adults who would shoot someone or pepper spray them or trample them on Black Friday - for STUFF. :roll:

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:31 pm
by dales
:ok

All my xmas gifts this year will be locally-made.

My grandson is the only exception (Lego crap made in China) but to give him a fine bottle of California wine just doesn't seem right. :mrgreen:

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:59 pm
by quaddriver
It seems to me, more money is to be made with 'black year round' rather than black friday. Find the minimum price you can live with and offer it only thru the stores retail website.

the purchase can be made, shipped etc without ever involving a store employee or crowd.

fedex/UPS/USPS is happy.
stores are happy.
OEMs are happy.
VISA is happy*
and theoretically the consumer is happy - until they realize that at any price it remains junk.



* 98-03 when at VISA, this time of year we would happily run dual center USA, with one center for all of asia and one for all of europe added on and hum nicely at 8000 transactions per second.

Last I heard, it was well north of 15000 transactions per second.

costs .25 cents (1/4 of one cent) to process, billed at 16 cents per swipe credit, 24 cents pin debit. Simple math shows who the winners really are.

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:02 pm
by Crackpot
I always spend about twice as much as I intend to spend every year for Xmas Not because I need to or feel compelled too but because it's really the one time of year that I untie the purse strings. But I don't shop for a deal I shop for the person to find something they'll enjoy as well as something to make it memorable as being from me.

FOr example being of that age I've got all my nephews video games all of which will be encased in these

One year I spent about $700 for a for a $50 gift card for my brother it was encased in a similar device as above which was then inserted (along with a lump of coal) inside a quite complex Japanese puzzle box. Not only did it take him about 6 hours to open it also won me a long standing feud over the most frustrating way to give cash/a gift card (passed his wadded up $1 bills scattered through a large box full of shredded phone book)

It's not the gifts or spending but taking the time to invest in something for the enjoyment of others.

THe why of the season is all too often lost looking for the what.

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:40 pm
by loCAtek
You're evil CP ...and I like it. :ok

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:14 am
by loCAtek
Well, at least the threat was idle ...we hope;

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 fan threatens to blow up Best Buy

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:06 am
by Gob
Fortunately we do not have "black Friday". (Is that racist of us?)

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:10 am
by loCAtek
Well, excluding Blacks kindof is... ;)

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:25 am
by Scooter
Gob wrote:Fortunately we do not have "black Friday". (Is that racist of us?)
It is called Black Friday because it is generally seen as the day on which the retail sector goes into the black i.e. begins showing a profit.

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:30 am
by Gob
Ok, so they are being racist then? ;)

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:33 am
by Scooter
Well, maybe against Native Americans, since red is the colour with the negative association with deficits. :mrgreen:

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:34 am
by Gob
LOL!! :D

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:42 am
by loCAtek
Um, he's saying if you don't go into the black, you into the red ...that's a bad thing BTW.

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:11 am
by Gob
Black Friday shoppers are a notoriously aggressive bunch, but bargain hunters in a crowded West Virginia shopping centre didn’t pause to help a man who fell to the ground.

Instead, they walked around – even over – the 61-year-old Walter Vance after he became ill and collapsed while shopping in the South Charleston Target shortly after midnight Friday, family members told WSAZ-TV.

According to friends and family, Mr Vance was shopping for Christmas decorations for his workplace, Aracoma Drug Company. He had recently remodeled the store and wanted to pick up a few more holiday decorations for the holidays, his co-workers said.

Mr Vance’s relatives and fellow employees were outraged at the frenzied shoppers.

‘Where is the good Samaritan side of people?’ co-worker Sue Compton told WSAZ.

‘How could you not notice someone was in trouble?

'I just don’t understand if people didn’t help, what their reason was, other than greed because of a sale.’

WSAZ reported an emergency room nurse tried giving Mr Vance CPR.

An off-duty paramedic was also at the Target and attempted to help him off the ground.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1esaTW1w3


Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:28 am
by Scooter
If only it were an isolated occurrence...

There is film every year of people getting trampled at one store or another after falling in Black Friday or post-Christmas sale crowds.

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:42 am
by dales
The Puritans had it right..........







They outlawed Christmas :ok

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:19 pm
by Guinevere
Oh c'mon Dales, there is plenty of fun and love to be had at Christmas. I love the holiday -- especially the parties, the baking, the decorations and lights, the time with family and friends, and especially the relaxed time away from the office. It is often the only time of year when my clients do not expect me to be available for them, and the courts are generous in scheduling around, so it is some of my best down time.

I do my shopping on a continuous basis, mostly buying from local artisans, or from special places when traveling, or on things I find that someone will love. The only things I purchased on black friday were movie tickets because all the cousins in our family (my generation and the under 10-set) went out to lunch and the movies.

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:25 pm
by Jarlaxle
The thing I miss the most about my old job is working Christmas!

Re: Black Friday Madness

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:19 pm
by rubato
I've never been shopping on "black friday" in my life. But I LOVE Christmas. It's the one time of year when It's ok to give gifts without social complication. It always feels like its over too soon.

yrs,
rubato